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Post by tossboom on Jan 30, 2015 16:27:06 GMT 1
Hell yeah, I'm in. With a good businessplan we can even get our money back in the long run. Most important are the technical guys who know about programming..
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Post by champadero on Jan 30, 2015 19:48:15 GMT 1
I like the idea, I would be in too
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Post by ElGringo on Jan 30, 2015 21:21:27 GMT 1
For the record I checked the premium from 10/2013 till now and entered about 3700€ in the game. The cust of the server is about 75€/ month so in 3years and 2 months(till 12/2014) gives 2850€, so profit, and we all know that after that fatidic TdF we lost about 250 managers.
I think with some publicity we could reach the numbers from the past, 1500 managers, and if 1/5 with premium could pay the server and the publicity but the big problem is the programer.
Keep the game rolling gives some work but is easy, I and Schizm we did it this season, but we need a very good programer to correct the bugs and finetunning the machine.
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Post by Ab Normaal on Jan 30, 2015 23:11:28 GMT 1
Well, then it could be done. I am pretty sure that either Kurtinsc or Mike is a programmer.
Nike, Schizm an Melres could do the maintaining, I can do the coördination and the internal communication, then we need a few guys to promote on the internet.
And we need another programmer.
Also someone who is great with finances.
We should definately involve the Italians. There are a lot of players there, they have a tight bund with each other and they are very loyal to the game.
Then we need the help of a lot of managers to promote the game.
Do it exactly like companies on the stock exchange. Make a 1500 shares of €5 per share. Then we can buy the game and have a networking capital of €2500
Anybody can buy as much shares as they like. If we make profit in the future, it will be divided over the shareholders. And we need to appoint a supervisory board of 5 people who can run the game and need to think of how to involve the shareholders into the decision making.
Or am I getting to over enthousiastic now?
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Post by Mike on Jan 30, 2015 23:46:33 GMT 1
srry I'm not a programmer.. I read that someone or even 2 ppl were programmers..
good that everyone is thinking ahead..
anyhow I'm in for paying something.. no problem
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Post by Ab Normaal on Jan 31, 2015 0:47:04 GMT 1
Than I am 100% sure Kurtinsc is a programmer.
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Post by negru on Jan 31, 2015 10:41:39 GMT 1
If we get to some plan, consider me in, too. I'm willing to spend some money to keep peloton alive.
Its quite strange that there are not many comments from the Italian members, as i know that they have a very strong and supportive community. Somehow i expected them to come with a plan.
I would also help with what i can, unfortunately i'm not a programmer and i am not good in making publicity.
Regarding your ideas, they are all interesting, but we have to think how to implement it. I think that to incorporate a business might be complicated, also extra costs (accounting, tax, and so on) and also where in this world (all of us are from different places).
Even i don't believe in such things, i would like a peloton owned by the community. A shareholder thinks only about business, not necessarily the good of the game, while the community cares more about the game in itself.
I think the most important is to be able to get peloton to sustain itself, even if there are no profits, and next step would be to make it profitable. This idea of yours came from the love of the game, not to get rich out of it. Don't forget this. Therefore, i think the whole idea is that even if peloton would make nice profits in the future, to be reinvested.
Also, i think that mike came with the idea to sell it after it starts working. I don't know if a buyer will care so much about us afterwards, or would maybe transform the whole game to suit its interests.
This is why i think that if enough of us think we can do something, and also IP agrees with it (he might have a honorific title after all), we should have a clear goal and some plan.
I believe very important at the moment is how much would it cost to keep the game stable. You are all talking about a programmer, but i think that we actually did not have one for the last 2 seasons, or maybe a few hours of IP, if there actually where. So i think that for another season the game could run with limited intervention. Maybe i'm wrong, as i said i don't have expertise here.
One other thing that will probably get discussed if we were to revive peloton is if to continue or to do a reset. For sure i would want to keep my team, but it might be attractive for new users and also for returning one to be an actual new beginning.
I really hope we can do something about it, to have enough players interested in the idea and also to be able being more of us united only by the loyalty to the game to pull off a clear plan.
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Post by negru on Jan 31, 2015 10:43:12 GMT 1
One more thing, we have to consider from the beginning that from 300 or so active players we probably lost some more. I don't know if there were anyway more than 100 - 150 actually playing, as i knew people just keeping their teams alive.
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Post by negru on Jan 31, 2015 10:46:01 GMT 1
Well, then it could be done. I am pretty sure that either Kurtinsc or Mike is a programmer. Nike, Schizm an Melres could do the maintaining, I can do the coördination and the internal communication, then we need a few guys to promote on the internet. And we need another programmer. Also someone who is great with finances. We should definately involve the Italians. There are a lot of players there, they have a tight bund with each other and they are very loyal to the game. Then we need the help of a lot of managers to promote the game. Do it exactly like companies on the stock exchange. Make a 1500 shares of €5 per share. Then we can buy the game and have a networking capital of €2500 Anybody can buy as much shares as they like. If we make profit in the future, it will be divided over the shareholders. And we need to appoint a supervisory board of 5 people who can run the game and need to think of how to involve the shareholders into the decision making. Or am I getting to over enthousiastic now? Added to what you said, i also think we should have a team of 2-3 people redoing the whole wikipedia part (from scratch) and also have kind of a better help for the beginners. How many beginners care to read the whole wikipedia when starting the game? But there are certain actions that could ruin the game from the beginning. An advise on steps at startup would be helpful. |
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Post by negru on Jan 31, 2015 10:50:36 GMT 1
Sorry, last post, it looks i'm quite happy that something can be done.
In the end, if we would have a plan, is there any chance to actually talk with IP? I feel he always missed and he doesn't talk to much even with Schizm and ElGringo. And he seems very stubborn. If nothing can be discussed, negotiated with him, all our plans don't make much sense. Is any of you actually able to talk with him? To see if he would actually sell, or he would prefer to see his creation die?
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Post by tossboom on Jan 31, 2015 11:17:56 GMT 1
Sorry, last post, it looks i'm quite happy that something can be done. In the end, if we would have a plan, is there any chance to actually talk with IP? I feel he always missed and he doesn't talk to much even with Schizm and ElGringo. And he seems very stubborn. If nothing can be discussed, negotiated with him, all our plans don't make much sense. Is any of you actually able to talk with him? To see if he would actually sell, or he would prefer to see his creation die? You are right. This is the first mountain to climb. If he's willing we can work out the details |
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Post by Mike on Jan 31, 2015 11:45:56 GMT 1
ElGringo talks with him
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Post by ElGringo on Jan 31, 2015 12:56:13 GMT 1
First of all the Italians were the first that came up with a plan for the game and they are the one that are interested in buying the game, they are very strong as a team, they are a family inside the game.
I don't know details but seems they have a programer, a sponsor and people to work in game, I believe they are now in conversation with IP. Stefano is the one leading the Italians in this.
I am realy happy that you guys are interested too, and if IP doesn't get a deal with they you couls have a backup plan for it.
Even this way, 1st of all is important for everyone that rhe game is working when someone buying it and right now he isn't. IP till now didn't answer me about my offer to speak to the host company and make right the reset of the game, seems they have done but only the hosting administrator page and not the server itself.
About managers I have the email of about 1000 managers that play/played the game, and if the game come back I will send to all messages to return.
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Post by Ab Normaal on Jan 31, 2015 16:09:29 GMT 1
Negru, thanks for your ideas.
I didn't meant it to be professional with an official company with accounting, taxes etc.
Also the shareholders wasn't meant to be shareholders like in companies.
And I don't want to make money out of it either. If there will be made profits, they should be used to pay back the investments, and put in the game to develop.
But since we need starting money to buy the game and maintain it for a few seasons and I think nobody has a lot of money, I thought of the shares.
Only managers in this game can buy shares, and nobody can have more than 20%. Something like that.
Your ideas are good.
Melres, you said that before about the Italians, but on their forum they are completely focussed on Velomanager, the game they switched to. Stenes even said he is not very interested any more in reading this peloton forum anymore.
What we first need to know, I guess, is if IP really wants to sell the game. If so, a condition should be that we start with season 11 a.s.a.p.
Then we need to find out which managers here want to contribute in: A) Investing money and B) putting effort in the game.
Then we should decide who is going to do what and write a plan.
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Post by stenes on Jan 31, 2015 18:19:02 GMT 1
Melres, you said that before about the Italians, but on their forum they are completely focussed on Velomanager, the game they switched to. Stenes even said he is not very interested any more in reading this peloton forum anymore. 1 - the affected person is not me but another of which i do through!!! As should be an economic negotiation should not even be mentioned.
2 - i play not only Peloton!!! (i played Hattrick, Sokker, Scudetto Mondiale, Bite, Wrestling Game, Metin2, Velo, and etc etc). The external forum is ours and we can talk about what we want!!! 3 - i do not read this post because i do not care...i want to restart Peloton, i always pay premiun and if it will restart necessary to pay every year 10 euro i have not problem. i'm tired...i have my men who read your proposals and inform me ^^ 4 - if you find a solution i would be very happy! |
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