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Post by NikeBoy on Oct 30, 2007 10:34:08 GMT 1
Absolutely #Cyclists | Efficiency | 1 | 100,00% | 2 | 100,00% | 3 | 100,00% | 4 | 100,00% | 5 | 100,00% | 6 | 100,00% | 7 | 100,00% | 8 | 100,00% | 9 | 100,00% | 10 | 100,00% | 11 | 100,00% | 12 | 100,00% | 13 | 100,00% | 14 | 100,00% | 15 | 100,00% | 16 | 100,00% | 17 | 100,00% | 18 | 100,00% | 19 | 100,00% | 20 | 100,00% | 21 | 100,00% | 22 | 100,00% | 23 | 100,00% | 24 | 100,00% | 25 | 100,00% | 26 | 96,60% | 27 | 93,30% | 28 | 90,20% | 29 | 87,20% | 30 | 84,30% | 31 | 81,60% | 32 | 78,90% | 33 | 76,40% | 34 | 74,00% | 35 | 71,60% | 36 | 69,40% | 37 | 67,30% | 38 | 65,20% | 39 | 63,20% | 40 | 61,30% | 41 | 59,50% | 42 | 57,70% | 43 | 56,00% | 44 | 54,40% | 45 | 52,80% | 46 | 51,30% | 47 | 49,90% | 48 | 48,50% | 49 | 47,10% | 50 | 45,80% | 75 | 24,20% | 100 | 14,10% | 125 | 8,80% | 150 | 5,90% | 175 | 4,00% | 200 | 2,90% | 300 | 1,00% | 400 | 0,40% | 500 | 0,20% |
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Post by thenose1 on Oct 30, 2007 12:08:01 GMT 1
Crap, i have 71 cyclists, that means i need to sell, but because of this rule, the value of cyclists will decrease. I think there should be more time to change to a smaller squad, would make the change not after this season, but 1 season later.
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Post by steingrim on Oct 30, 2007 13:04:16 GMT 1
I think the timing is fine. If there are too much money in the game we can't wait 16 more weeks to solve the problem - by then we would most likely need more drastic changes.
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Post by dancingrob on Oct 30, 2007 13:13:14 GMT 1
agreed.
over the next few weeks, it'll definitely be time to buy for the players who have the spare slots, and we'llhopefully see a few of the crappier youth pulls fired on the spot as they should be.
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Post by joachim1107 on Oct 30, 2007 13:36:44 GMT 1
Wouldn't it be more realistic to limit the number of cyclist you can train to 30, because thats the number of cyclist Pro tour teams usually have? For the rest I think the changes wiil have a positive effect on the game
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Post by dancingrob on Oct 30, 2007 15:27:40 GMT 1
Having a squad of 30 still looks realistic to me.
You could either keep 5 'veterans' who'd be used to win races, rather than train, or train all 30 at a slightly lower percentage, or some combination of the two options.
25 seems a good number to me, as it allows you to compete in every race, and have a few spare cyclists in case of injury crises etc.
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Post by tribvno on Oct 30, 2007 16:48:23 GMT 1
i think that this will be disastrous for some teams: i mean that in new countries where r few of teams, the only way to gain money is train and sell a lot of cyclists. in greece i always win cause i started before all my opponents and i can gain about 50k every race. but i can't afford a good cyclist to buy (i.e.: no more 25 years, 4 in a skill, 3 in 2 skills); so u can understand what about other teams that can gain money ONLY with selling cyclists. so i hope now u'll work to arrange the situation of new countries please, joining 1st series or in other way; if u will not, i think this could mean the death of new countries, cause people will sign off. i understand that new features r good for countries like belgium where r 3 full series, but u have to work to make them possible to apply in new countries with a very few of people too. the game is for all the countries, not only for most populed ones. so please, try to resolve the problem of new countries, joining 1st series, up to fill em. thanx
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Post by captagon on Oct 30, 2007 18:22:02 GMT 1
I think everyone will try to have some money aside to buy that great cyclist when he comes along. If you don't have much money this means you can't earn any intrest, or you can't buy any good cyclists. People with lots of money can do both, so it really increases the gap between rich and less rich.
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Post by NikeBoy on Oct 30, 2007 18:37:23 GMT 1
I don't understand what the problem is ?! You say you can't afford to buy a good cyclist (i.e.: no more 25 years, 4 in a skill, 3 in 2 skills), but yet you win everything in your country ! So why should you buy such cyclists ? Why should you or other teams in your country, or in other countries, have to compare themselves with teams from i.e. Belgium or Romania ?! There is no competition, no relation.
The (new) teams in your country don't have any disadvantage from this change, on the contrary, they will have the chance to become more competitive with you and others of your country who have a headstart just because they signed in quite some time ago.
The new teams receive 12 cyclists, so they can add 13 more without losing any training. I looked it up, it took me months (!) before I was able to reach a squad of 25. Now, a lot of managers predict that prices of youthpulls and other trained cyclists will go down because of this change, so all the new teams can do bargains, trying to fill up their trainingpool.
But let me also stress that 25 is not a hard number. If you do a little math, you will see that training 30 or even 35 cyclists will have an individual disadvantage, but the total "team training increase" is higher.
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Post by tribvno on Oct 30, 2007 18:41:47 GMT 1
i understand, u have the reason
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Post by NikeBoy on Oct 30, 2007 18:47:49 GMT 1
I think everyone will try to have some money aside to buy that great cyclist when he comes along. If you don't have much money this means you can't earn any intrest, or you can't buy any good cyclists. People with lots of money can do both, so it really increases the gap between rich and less rich. Have you read my answer to your first post in this thread ? In that reply I have shown, with an example, that the gap between rich and less rich gets much bigger with the current situation. The new change will decrease this gap growth. So it is realy the other way around !
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Post by Il Padrino on Oct 30, 2007 18:52:03 GMT 1
Crap, i have 71 cyclists, that means i need to sell, but because of this rule, the value of cyclists will decrease. I think there should be more time to change to a smaller squad, would make the change not after this season, but 1 season later. No one is forcing you to sell your cyclists. You can still train 25 of them at 100%. And perhaps change cyclists every other week or something.
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Post by Il Padrino on Oct 31, 2007 8:53:19 GMT 1
And now I see that Il Padrino has formulated this a little different as we intended : "Money can be redrawed from an investment before the end of the 16 weeks, but this will result in no interest being paid out and with an additional penalty of 5% of the invested amount." The 5% should not be on the invested amount BUT on the amount that has been withdrawn. Example : From the 5 million, I withdraw 1 million : 5% of 1 million = 50000 penalty, so I receive 950000. 4 million is still on this investment, after the 16 weeks, 4.4 million is received. So this means : if I don't touch the 5 million, the profit will be 500k, if I retrieve 1 million, the profit is 350k (400k - 50k) I hope this is also how IP understood this Maybe he can change the sentence a little bit to avoid confusion. I think there has indeed been some confusion about this part. The idea is to either withdraw the entire sum or leave it invested, but not to withdraw a portion of it. As it is possible to have up to 10 investments, managers can invest small amounts at a time so that it is their responsibility to make sure that they can afford the investment. If it turns out they can't and have to withdraw an investment, they will have to withdraw the entire sum. That's the price of responsibility and it awards those that plan better
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Post by NikeBoy on Oct 31, 2007 8:56:29 GMT 1
Ok, I totally agree ;D
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Post by gladharim on Oct 31, 2007 10:03:29 GMT 1
. But let me also stress that 25 is not a hard number. If you do a little math, you will see that training 30 or even 35 cyclists will have an individual disadvantage, but the total "team training increase" is higher. This really depends on how fast your cyclist train.....
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