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Apr 3, 2013 1:31:15 GMT 1
Post by kurtinsc on Apr 3, 2013 1:31:15 GMT 1
Ab, from what I've been able to gather, there are pieces that Nike can change quite easily through database updates... and from what he's said division size and prize money may be among those things.
This isn't redefining the code that runs the game or introducing new features, it's changing the value of existing variables in the code (those values being stored in tables in the database).
This is actually a good sign for me... because as a programmer it shows that the original developer put some thought into creating an easily maintained game.
The big issue (in my opinion) is that Nike's getting pulled in two directions here. Some people complain when changes are implemented quickly, because they put time and effort into building their teams around the current system. Others complain when things they believe should be changed aren't changed fast enough. Nike can't please every user. Some people get ticked off enough to leave when a long announced change like the new race engine doesn't work out the way they want (their team starts losing).
We had funraces for testing for multiple seasons. We were told for multiple season what the impact would be. It was CLEAR certain skills would be more important (sprint). Some of us changed our training to prepare for that. And people still freaked out and left when the new race engine was introduced.
Now for almost a full season (and probably all of next year as well) Nike's changes will be available on the fun races. He's mentioned that sprint will be less important for certain terrains. And I predict when they do get implemented... people will still freak out. And it won't help by not making the changes, because others (possibly you) will leave if changes are not made.
In my opinion, Nike and IP simply need to make the game as good as possible IN THEIR OPINION. That can ask for input, but they need to be the final decision makers. They have no way of pleasing all of us. People will always leave because they don't like changes that get put in (or changes that don't get put in). The key really isn't trying to keep us happy... the key is to draw new users in. That's what's going to keep the game going. That's where changes need to be made. We need to improve the marketing of the game. We need to improve the experience for new users, making it easier to learn and fun to play in the early stages. We need to get people hooked... even if it may sometimes alienate a few existing users.
Games based on user numbers begin death spirals when all they do is try to cater to existing users. They lose the ability to grow... and without growth all you have is an ever shrinking user base... because you cannot keep everyone. Heck, I enjoy the game a lot but I fully expect at some point to lose interest. I have with every online game I've played. Sometimes the interest lasts months, sometimes years... but it never lasts forever. Games HAVE to bring in new blood... or they will die.
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Apr 3, 2013 8:26:57 GMT 1
Post by Ab Normaal on Apr 3, 2013 8:26:57 GMT 1
Ab, from what I've been able to gather, there are pieces that Nike can change quite easily through database updates... and from what he's said division size and prize money may be among those things. This isn't redefining the code that runs the game or introducing new features, it's changing the value of existing variables in the code (those values being stored in tables in the database). This is actually a good sign for me... because as a programmer it shows that the original developer put some thought into creating an easily maintained game. The big issue (in my opinion) is that Nike's getting pulled in two directions here. Some people complain when changes are implemented quickly, because they put time and effort into building their teams around the current system. Others complain when things they believe should be changed aren't changed fast enough. Nike can't please every user. Some people get ticked off enough to leave when a long announced change like the new race engine doesn't work out the way they want (their team starts losing). We had funraces for testing for multiple seasons. We were told for multiple season what the impact would be. It was CLEAR certain skills would be more important (sprint). Some of us changed our training to prepare for that. And people still freaked out and left when the new race engine was introduced. Now for almost a full season (and probably all of next year as well) Nike's changes will be available on the fun races. He's mentioned that sprint will be less important for certain terrains. And I predict when they do get implemented... people will still freak out. And it won't help by not making the changes, because others (possibly you) will leave if changes are not made. In my opinion, Nike and IP simply need to make the game as good as possible IN THEIR OPINION. That can ask for input, but they need to be the final decision makers. They have no way of pleasing all of us. People will always leave because they don't like changes that get put in (or changes that don't get put in). The key really isn't trying to keep us happy... the key is to draw new users in. That's what's going to keep the game going. That's where changes need to be made. We need to improve the marketing of the game. We need to improve the experience for new users, making it easier to learn and fun to play in the early stages. We need to get people hooked... even if it may sometimes alienate a few existing users. Games based on user numbers begin death spirals when all they do is try to cater to existing users. They lose the ability to grow... and without growth all you have is an ever shrinking user base... because you cannot keep everyone. Heck, I enjoy the game a lot but I fully expect at some point to lose interest. I have with every online game I've played. Sometimes the interest lasts months, sometimes years... but it never lasts forever. Games HAVE to bring in new blood... or they will die. Kurtinsc, I agree almost completely with you. You will always have people who complaint, especially when you allow the Dutch to play (I am Dutch, so I can say)... I too think that Nike and IP should make the improvements they think should be made. It is their game, they have to be happy with their game and a lot of people like it, otherwise they would not play it every day. I also think they listen to the players and good suggestions from players are considered. It is true, that long before implementation of the new RE, there has been said that sprint would be more important and that everybody was able to test it in the testraces. The new multi trainer has not been announced long enough, but that can happen sometimes. So far so good. The real problem in my opinion is that IP probably is way too occupied with his job and Nike can't do this all alone, altough he is doing a fantastic job. He has a daily job too and a family. Nike has given a lot of good suggestions and also a few players handed out a few very good suggestions that really could improve the game. Nike is listening to players who quit, financial problems can be a reason to quit for new players and he is opem for that so that is also very positive. The real problem is that I don't see these necessary improvements (everything you design has things that can be optimized) get implemented because a lack of time. This needs serious work and you can't expect Nike to neglect his job and family and do this all. And I haven't seen IP around for quit a while. So I agree completely with what you are saying, but in my opinion the big issue is different...
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May 5, 2013 9:19:19 GMT 1
Post by ElGringo on May 5, 2013 9:19:19 GMT 1
Its nice to see the number of teams growing. Lets see if after the update the number keep rising.
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Sept 1, 2013 19:50:21 GMT 1
Post by goof on Sept 1, 2013 19:50:21 GMT 1
I can remember that during the Tour de France, there were well over 600 active teams, but there are only 488 left right now. I am currently in division 5:2 and 5/12 teams don't have a manager anymore, including one promoted team. I am really wondering why so many teams quit. Does anyone have an idea?
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Sept 1, 2013 20:00:27 GMT 1
Post by quiller on Sept 1, 2013 20:00:27 GMT 1
it is something that must be turned around... I do not believe that the game itself is the problem... I believe that the game just needs a fresh group of people joining us, but for that to happen a lot of people need to start promoting it everywhere... So : if you like the game start talking on all kind of forums you are on about it!!!!
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Sept 4, 2013 15:56:32 GMT 1
Post by icsulescu on Sept 4, 2013 15:56:32 GMT 1
it is something that must be turned around... I do not believe that the game itself is the problem... I believe that the game just needs a fresh group of people joining us, but for that to happen a lot of people need to start promoting it everywhere... So : if you like the game start talking on all kind of forums you are on about it!!!! The game itself isn't the problem. The problems, IMO are: - The game hasn't got an internal forum. You have to register here too and many don't have the patience to do this. 17 users were online on the forum in the last 24 hours. There are 19 online in the game right now! - The game isn't "friendly" with the new users. There isn't any tutorial for those who want to learn the game faster, without reading the whole wiki. - The Wiki is good, but we need a Help section inside the main website. - This Wiki isn't updated.
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Sept 5, 2013 8:03:22 GMT 1
Post by Mike on Sept 5, 2013 8:03:22 GMT 1
I think that a help icon on EVERY page would make it a lot easyer for new managers. Link this icon to the topic in the help database.
Lot of work but in the long run it will keep new managers interested.
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Sept 5, 2013 8:24:59 GMT 1
Post by icsulescu on Sept 5, 2013 8:24:59 GMT 1
I suggested this since I registered on Peloton, but the admins seem to ignore ideas like: a help section, an internal forum and Peloton will continue to lose every day more users than they register ...
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Sept 9, 2013 23:06:37 GMT 1
Post by quiller on Sept 9, 2013 23:06:37 GMT 1
A good functioning help section is idd a good idea, but in my opinion it is more important to 'make' people KNOW peloton exist (especially on cycling fora)...
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Sept 15, 2013 17:48:14 GMT 1
Post by icsulescu on Sept 15, 2013 17:48:14 GMT 1
A good functioning help section is idd a good idea, but in my opinion it is more important to 'make' people KNOW peloton exist (especially on cycling fora)... It's not a good idea. Let's say 1000 users will join. After 1 week half of them will leave because there's no help section in this game. I think that right now Peloton has very low user retention so inviting new users now would be pointless. Some of them won't probably even come back WHEN and IF the game would fix it's problems and HAVE A HELP SECTION.
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Sept 16, 2013 18:11:10 GMT 1
Post by NikeBoy on Sept 16, 2013 18:11:10 GMT 1
I suggested this since I registered on Peloton, but the admins seem to ignore ideas like: a help section, an internal forum and Peloton will continue to lose every day more users than they register ... We didn't ignore it, it is a time consuming job (and we are lacking time atm) Maybe you and the other forum users can write all the different help sections, so we can put them to the database and link them on the site ?!
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Sept 16, 2013 19:42:04 GMT 1
Post by icsulescu on Sept 16, 2013 19:42:04 GMT 1
Maybe you and the other forum users can write all the different help sections, so we can put them to the database and link them on the site ?! This is a great idea. I will soon make a topic about this and try to find some users willing to help me.
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Sept 17, 2013 8:59:41 GMT 1
Post by JoeLag on Sept 17, 2013 8:59:41 GMT 1
Wouldn't it be the best course to improve and consolidate the English Wiki?
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Sept 17, 2013 12:15:09 GMT 1
Post by Mike on Sept 17, 2013 12:15:09 GMT 1
only if we link the wiki to every page in peloton, that's the way to go I think
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Sept 17, 2013 14:16:00 GMT 1
Post by goof on Sept 17, 2013 14:16:00 GMT 1
I agree with isolescu: we first need to make a firm help section and then try to attract some new players. But you mean a help link on some important pages, like 'training', 'youthscout' and 'transfers', which directly refers to the information about the subject?
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