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Post by ElGringo on Apr 27, 2020 21:55:09 GMT 1
We want to change the trainign speed of riders and this isn't easy to apply without affect managers.
There isn't an easy solution so I present in poll 4 solutions that we saw for now, all have disadvantages for managers but if we want to improve the game and reduce the time that a rider reach the top we have to add it to the game.
The option to adjust the current riders skills is the hardest one because is more complicated to implement and since all riders have differente FA( future hability) there isn't a right formula to aplly to all.
The objective is to increase the training speed this way with 2 years playing the game riders can reach is maximum potential, right now we need more then 4 years playing to have riders over 30y to fight. So the option is that riders at 26years reach his top skill and stop the evolution but they need to keep training to keep the skill or they will lose skill every week if they don't train.
So I create this poll in forum for now, but I will put it in game after the 1st feedback from the forum managers.
ATTENTION, this is only a poll, and if we decide to go we will announce with time all managers this way all can start preparing for the future.
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Post by Ab Normaal on Apr 27, 2020 22:46:22 GMT 1
Just to add to this, the impact is quite big. If we let young cyclists train faster, it means that from current riders somewhere between 21 and 33 yo will never profit as much because the young riders will gain quite fast on them. One hand this doesn't seem fair to the managers who trained them carefully for years, on the other hand this is the only way to change something on the principle that, especially in higher divisions, you only win races with cyclists in their thirties. So, think carefully, this is a major change, if we are going to change.
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Post by eboese on Apr 28, 2020 11:03:03 GMT 1
Good to see some development in this area, guys. I think it will do the game a lot of good!
I haven't thought this trough very thoroughly yet, but is there not a way we can implement this a bit more gradually to protect the current riders? Instead of capping the training at 26 years immediately you can slowly build this back over future seasons. This allows the current generation to continue their skill increase via regular training, which in my view beats doing it via complex manual adjustments. Of course the younger riders would still be catching-up at an increased speed, but it would still take quite some time before they are on the same level.
And I know why people are voting for it, but I personally don't see anything in a full restart. I've spend way too much of time on my current team to see it fully disappear. I'm not sure if I could find the motivation to fully restart (again).
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Post by Poekie on Apr 28, 2020 11:13:03 GMT 1
I don't understand: why does there need to be a big impact?
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Post by Mike on Apr 28, 2020 11:13:53 GMT 1
Same here. Building up on capital has taken a long time. Restarting would be a gamebreaker.
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Post by eboese on Apr 28, 2020 11:27:38 GMT 1
I don't understand: why does there need to be a big impact? I'm not fully sure which part you don't understand, but if you would pick option 1 for example, implement the new system without any consideration for existing riders, you will basically make all of these guys completely useless within a number of seasons. They will have missed years of increased training speed and will be quickly overtaken by the guys training at double speed. Especially the guys in the 27-30 range will be completely screwed, because they are currently too young to be competitive and they won't be able to increase their skills anymore. So for the next few season they will lose out to the older generation and once they become the older generation the new generation will be much stronger than them due to faster training.
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Post by JOOP Cycling Team on Apr 28, 2020 13:07:04 GMT 1
I think we should continue to support the game, that something has to change, everyone agrees. We need to make the game better together.
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Post by ElGringo on Apr 28, 2020 13:07:53 GMT 1
I vote for option that gives 10 riders to all teams, for me seems the best solution, why?
With this solution you will have a restart and without lost important riders that you already trainned.
10 new riders to restart and meenwhile you will keep 15 of your riders to keep fighting till the new riders grown.
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Post by ElGringo on Apr 28, 2020 13:11:11 GMT 1
Good to see some development in this area, guys. I think it will do the game a lot of good! I haven't thought this trough very thoroughly yet, but is there not a way we can implement this a bit more gradually to protect the current riders? Instead of capping the training at 26 years immediately you can slowly build this back over future seasons. This allows the current generation to continue their skill increase via regular training, which in my view beats doing it via complex manual adjustments. Of course the younger riders would still be catching-up at an increased speed, but it would still take quite some time before they are on the same level. And I know why people are voting for it, but I personally don't see anything in a full restart. I've spend way too much of time on my current team to see it fully disappear. I'm not sure if I could find the motivation to fully restart (again). I agree with what you said, thats why I think the option with 10 new riders and keep playing with the other is the fair solution. You can select riders that you want to keep playing and train new riders, they will take more then 2 years to be on top so is more 6/7 seasons. This is the mid term we can offer.
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Post by JOOP Cycling Team on Apr 28, 2020 13:13:52 GMT 1
I vote for option that gives 10 riders to all teams, for me seems the best solution, why? With this solution you will have a restart and without lost important riders that you already trainned. 10 new riders to restart and meenwhile you will keep 15 of your riders to keep fighting till the new riders grown. the same voice as me. I think it will be the best solution You can always make the consideration to start all over again.
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Post by ElGringo on Apr 28, 2020 13:16:21 GMT 1
I vote for option that gives 10 riders to all teams, for me seems the best solution, why? With this solution you will have a restart and without lost important riders that you already trainned. 10 new riders to restart and meenwhile you will keep 15 of your riders to keep fighting till the new riders grown. the same voice as me. I think it will be the best solution You can always make the consideration to start all over again.
Correct, you can keep some and if you have a scout you can add more new riders to your team to train.
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Post by Mike on Apr 28, 2020 13:25:44 GMT 1
Ok if you can train 35 riders for 1 season
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Post by bosko on Apr 28, 2020 13:31:36 GMT 1
I vote for option that gives 10 riders to all teams, for me seems the best solution, why? With this solution you will have a restart and without lost important riders that you already trainned. 10 new riders to restart and meenwhile you will keep 15 of your riders to keep fighting till the new riders grown. How do you see those 10 new cyclists exactly? Would they be all youngsters (18-19y old)? Won't you get way too many cyclists of the same age in the game that way?
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Post by ElGringo on Apr 28, 2020 13:41:45 GMT 1
I vote for option that gives 10 riders to all teams, for me seems the best solution, why? With this solution you will have a restart and without lost important riders that you already trainned. 10 new riders to restart and meenwhile you will keep 15 of your riders to keep fighting till the new riders grown. How do you see those 10 new cyclists exactly? Would they be all youngsters (18-19y old)? Won't you get way too many cyclists of the same age in the game that way? Yup, 18 and 19 years old. You can consider a fresh restart with some riders while you keep playing with the others.
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Post by eboese on Apr 28, 2020 14:21:52 GMT 1
I agree with what you said, thats why I think the option with 10 new riders and keep playing with the other is the fair solution. You can select riders that you want to keep playing and train new riders, they will take more then 2 years to be on top so is more 6/7 seasons. This is the mid term we can offer. But what about the riders you decide to keep? In my view there needs to be a plan that they can still be trained. If we immediately put a hard stop on training above 26 you will destroy a whole range of riders. I understand we will never find a solution that will be 100% fair for everyone, but I do feel we need to prevent some teams getting hit extremely hard by this. Take Tossboom his team for example, we might wipe out 2 years of his effort, that would feel extremely unfair.
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