geunis
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Post by geunis on Mar 8, 2007 13:21:53 GMT 1
I want an explanation for this. In today's race I have something weird. one of my better cyclists ends in 73th place
This is the one Flat: 3 Downhill: 0 Hill: 2 Sprint: 3 Mountain: 3 Time trial: 3 73 op 10:15 2 fall
it's not normal because he always ended in top 10 in other races. And another cyclist of mine is much faster but not as good
Flat: 4 Downhill: 0 Hill: 1 Sprint: 1 Mountain: 0 Time trial: 1 28 op 5:41 1flat This one is normal because there was a fair amount of hill and mountain so it's impossible my other cyclist ends so late.
to compare with a somewhat equal cyclist today Flat: 3 Downhill: 2 Hill: 3 Sprint: 1 Mountain: 3 Time trial: 2 6 op 1:13 he has more downhill and a bit more hill but this difference can't take over 9minutes.
Who has an explanation for this?
And I would like to add that this cyclist (1st one) is my sprinter and climber. He always gathered points for this in any race he started. Even in TdF untill 2days ago with that recalculations. After that he didn't gather points at all anymore.
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Post by Schizm on Mar 8, 2007 13:25:07 GMT 1
yesterday after the race a bug with falls was fixed (it appears that there was no time loss at all before that)
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Post by Sjorskeum on Mar 8, 2007 13:32:46 GMT 1
As I wrote in the other topic, before somebody felt the need to edit my post and remove complete contents:
THERE SHOULD BE MORE ANNOUNCEMENTS IN THE ACTUAL GAME
One cannot expect people to read the forums or come search for any possible changes here.
If a change is made, write a short message under announcements. Or have a separate page which can be titled and linked to as 'Latest updates' or such.
That could look like:
Date Update/Change
Very simple, very overviewable, very informative.
Would make the game more transparant to the users who NOT frequent this forum. And even to those who do, it's hard to catch everything.
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Post by Schizm on Mar 8, 2007 13:34:10 GMT 1
I agree with you on the announcements but there is no need to shout ! please stay calm ...
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Post by paulhenri on Mar 8, 2007 13:43:31 GMT 1
I have the same problem (John Bidon, division Belgium 4:24) My best cyclist ended last today, with 3 falls. The days before he ended in the top 10 with more than 10 falls.
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Post by Sjorskeum on Mar 8, 2007 13:43:35 GMT 1
I'm not shouting, I'm putting emphasis on an important part of my message. A part which I've mentioned a few times before (without the emphasis) but obviously got ignored. As for being calm... ask coureurtjen what I write when I'm upset I'm calm. *edit* another post popped up in between... you see what the result is of making impulsive changes and never bothering to inform users. People don't have a clue what's happening. You also see why I was arguing the point that the changes shouldn't be made during the Tour. Good luck I say, I'm not going to bother with any possible discussion anymore.
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Post by Schizm on Mar 8, 2007 13:51:27 GMT 1
I still believe it was the best compromise , both sides had to give in a bit, some people can accept that some obviously don't ... but as for the announcement I'm with you all the way.
And as for your upset post, I've read it, coureurtjen has posted it on the moderator-forum so your message could reach IP after all (without the disturbing factor it would create on the public forums).
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Post by Sjorskeum on Mar 8, 2007 13:55:19 GMT 1
Offtopic: That's probably why my runner fell twice today then. IP's revenge But you get my point regarding my being calm or no, right And I like the compromis, I have been arguing for a new algorithm for falls/flats for quite some time now. Although it's too soon to judge it by 1 race result.
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Post by Il Padrino on Mar 8, 2007 14:04:16 GMT 1
I'll make the announcement when I'm home (tonight).
It's the same algorithm, by the way.. only 1 number in the formula was changed.
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Post by Sjorskeum on Mar 8, 2007 14:17:37 GMT 1
Since I don't know the original formula, that doesn't mean much to me. Besides, 1 number can make quite a difference, depending on what it does in the formula.
But if all that's changed now is the absolute number of falls being lowered, I find that a pity. I much rather see a larger impact of random, so that good runners more often 'have a bad day' and not end up top if they happen to fall and/or get flat(s).
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geunis
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Post by geunis on Mar 8, 2007 15:04:00 GMT 1
so all those lost minutes is because he fell twice? That is ridiculous in my opinion. Losing some time is ok. But not this much. cyclists with not so high steering/bravery are useless now.
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geunis
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Post by geunis on Mar 8, 2007 15:06:53 GMT 1
just to let you know what I'm talking about
His recent form is: 7-8-7-8-4
that's that cyclist. He always ended in top 10 and because such a new rule he doesn't even make top 70? If I knew this I would have sold him days ago because he is worthless now.
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Post by Schizm on Mar 8, 2007 15:09:58 GMT 1
2 falls would correspond with something around 6 minutes (it is actually 6 km extra for internal calculations) and that is how it should have worked the whole time (flats are 1 km/ 1 minute but that was counted form the beginning) as a counter measure IP has agreed to lower the amount of falls so normally that number would have been higher without the changes too !
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Post by discolex on Mar 8, 2007 15:12:12 GMT 1
Actually it isn't a new rule. The rule just wasn't implemented well. He is now.
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geunis
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Post by geunis on Mar 8, 2007 15:18:06 GMT 1
great thing to let people now. That rule was there before I know but I never lost thatmuch so I kept him. If I knew this before I would have sold him first thing. Because he is useless now.
But still 38. Mispreuve 0 0 +6:52 BVBA Isimobewerking 39. Van Thuyne 0 0 +8:04 BVBA Isimobewerking 40. Van Breda 0 0 +8:04 BVBA Isimobewerking 41. Charlier 0 0 +8:04 beestjs 42. de Vreeze 0 0 +8:04 beestjs 43. Sonneville 0 0 +8:04 The Irish Rover 44. Runhaar 0 0 +8:04 The Irish Rover 45. Meynaert 0 0 +8:04 Sunweb PROjob 46. Scheldewaert 0 0 +8:04 beestjs 47. Noppen 0 1 +8:04 RSCA 48. Tuite 0 0 +8:04 apolloon 49. Van Zegbroeck 0 0 +8:04 Klaazrd 50. Michaud 0 0 +8:04 Sunweb PROjob 51. Maurice 0 0 +8:04 apolloon 52. Gagné 0 0 +8:04 The Irish Rover 53. Angelus 0 0 +8:04 Sunweb PROjob 54. Collignon 0 0 +8:04 BVBA Isimobewerking 55. Cassaert 0 0 +8:04 apolloon 56. Pintelon 0 0 +8:04 apolloon 57. Dierick 0 0 +8:04 beestjs 58. Spies 0 0 +9:05 beestjs 59. Rentinck 1 0 +9:05 BVBA Isimobewerking 60. Nossaint 0 0 +9:05 The Irish Rover 61. Albarede 0 0 +9:05 Mapei-GB 62. Catteeuw 0 0 +9:05 De Bollers 63. Rasschaert 0 0 +9:05 Mapei-GB 64. Landman 0 0 +9:05 De Bollers 65. Hemelrijk 0 0 +9:05 Mapei-GB 66. Gosselin 0 0 +9:05 De Bollers 67. Van Severen 0 0 +9:05 De Bollers 68. Drent 0 0 +9:05 De Bollers 69. Weerdt 0 0 +9:05 Big Bocca 70. Dubost 0 0 +9:05 Big Bocca 71. Decrop 0 0 +9:05 Big Bocca 72. Ammerlaan 1 0 +9:05 apolloon 73. Badoux 0 2 +10:15 Houthakkers
My cyclist is 73' all the cyclist above him are from bot teams. They alle have 0%fitness or 35% It's ridiculous they all end before him.
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