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Post by heppie on Apr 3, 2014 13:29:11 GMT 1
In today's race (season 8, vuelta stage 2) my helper Braconnie (883) ends in a group 12 seconds before my only GC-guy Byrne (24811).
I think both are part of the peloton at the end of part 11. At part 12 (the last mountain part) they loose contact to the peloton and are in the same group in the standings after that part. After part 13 they still in the same group. Then after part 14 (the last part), in the final result, Braconnie ends 12 seconds before Byrne. This shouldn't be the case since Braconnie (helper) should stick to Byrne (GC-guy).
Further I think it's also strange that my no-tactic cyclists Faia and Trapenesi end before the peloton. This type of bug is reported before. It's, I think, caused by the fact that cyclist (helpers, save fitness or no-tactic) loose contact to the peloton and are able to pass the peloton on an other type of terrain.
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Post by Quatannens on Apr 3, 2014 14:35:37 GMT 1
I have some very strange result too.
Some guy saving fitness (99% to 98%) is in the same group as a helper (95% to 90% fitness). He has a flat tire and suddenly he is in front of the peloton? The helper has way better skills, so I really don't get it. Does the helper do nothing because I have another guy in the attack? Ok, that would explain also the huge timegap, but why does a save fitness guy can 'escape' from the peloton? That is wasted energy, somewhat strange for somebody saving fitness.
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Post by Schizm on Apr 3, 2014 15:44:16 GMT 1
I didn't find the time to fully investigate yet but my guy on save fitness also ends up before the guy I send in the attack (which is also in front of the guy with the GC tactic).
Just like Heppie I am in division 2.2 (team ID 29).
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Post by Quatannens on Apr 3, 2014 16:40:42 GMT 1
Did the save fitness guy had a flat tire? Because that's the moment when the one on save fitness escapes from the peloton. I'm thinking that the flat tire gives a delay and with helpers you can win some time back (to get in the peloton) but he won more time than he lost, so he ended in front of the peloton?
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Post by heppie on Apr 4, 2014 9:32:56 GMT 1
Did the save fitness guy had a flat tire? Because that's the moment when the one on save fitness escapes from the peloton. I'm thinking that the flat tire gives a delay and with helpers you can win some time back (to get in the peloton) but he won more time than he lost, so he ended in front of the peloton? No, this has nothing to do with flat tires or falls I think. The problem arises when cyclist are dropped from the peloton on some part. In a later part they are able to pass the peloton because they are cycling much faster then the peloton on that part. (In fact the time the dropped cyclist needs to complete that part + the gap the peloton has to this cyclist is less then the time the peloton needs to complete that part.) I think this is the reason they come in front of the peloton without attacking. This also happens in 2:2 vuelta stage 2. In the first part (a long hill part) the peloton is reduced to only 20 cyclists. Schizm cylist (I'm think you pointing at Torroni) and my cyclists (Faia, Trapenesi) are all in group 2. In part 2 (a long mountain part) they cycle faster then the peloton and pass it. This problem is also discussed before, see: peloton.proboards.com/thread/8611/non-consistent-simulations?page=1The problem that I didn't see before is the fact that a helper finishes in a group before a GC-guy. Normally a helper sticks to the the GC-guy. |
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Post by Schizm on Apr 4, 2014 12:34:35 GMT 1
Yep, I meant Torroni and it seems to have happened like you explain. But what is even more odd is that Guala who was in the same group in part 1, does not overtake the first peloton in part 2 (15km at 15% if I am not mistaking) :
+ Mountainskill of Guala is Torroni x 2 !
+ Torroni is 5kg heavier then Guala
+ Torroni has half the XP of Guala !
+ Guala is on 75% effort (attack), Torroni is on 66% (save fitness) !
= both had no falls and no flats the entire race.
- TT wise Torroni scores a bit better (8 vs 6)
So I can only conclude that the engine is very inconsistant in this part !
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Post by ElGringo on Apr 4, 2014 14:16:31 GMT 1
Yep, I meant Torroni and it seems to have happened like you explain. But what is even more odd is that Guala who was in the same group in part 1, does not overtake the first peloton in part 2 (15km at 15% if I am not mistaking) : + Mountainskill of Guala is Torroni x 2 ! + Torroni is 5kg heavier then Guala + Torroni has half the XP of Guala ! + Guala is on 75% effort (attack), Torroni is on 66% (save fitness) ! = both had no falls and no flats the entire race. - TT wise Torroni scores a bit better (8 vs 6) So I can only conclude that the engine is very inconsistant in this part ! To me never happened that. Lets see if NikeBoy could tell us something about this. |
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