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Post by kurtinsc on Jan 24, 2014 13:32:18 GMT 1
I think that is a good idea, because it would involve a little more tactics in choosing the attack points. I primarily choose the attack points by terrain. As for flat stages in tours (not for one day stages and classics!), I would reduce the number of attackpoints to just one in the beginning. And there were also some plans for this season like rarau said in this topic, but I have no idea if these are implemented yet. I think now is the perfect time to express our thoughts on the engine, to see if the system should be made more balanced for next season .. or the season after that. At the least with flat tours you want one at the beginning (for the all day attack) and one just before the end (for the final flyer kind of attack that you see people try in the last 20km of flat races a lot). Any hills would also need attack points. Think about Gent-Wevelgem with the two rises in the middle where everyone always tries to make a move.
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Post by goof on Jan 24, 2014 16:45:23 GMT 1
I think that is a good idea, because it would involve a little more tactics in choosing the attack points. I primarily choose the attack points by terrain. As for flat stages in tours (not for one day stages and classics!), I would reduce the number of attackpoints to just one in the beginning. And there were also some plans for this season like rarau said in this topic, but I have no idea if these are implemented yet. I think now is the perfect time to express our thoughts on the engine, to see if the system should be made more balanced for next season .. or the season after that. At the least with flat tours you want one at the beginning (for the all day attack) and one just before the end (for the final flyer kind of attack that you see people try in the last 20km of flat races a lot). Any hills would also need attack points. Think about Gent-Wevelgem with the two rises in the middle where everyone always tries to make a move. Agreed. If we want to realize this for next season, I would like to help if I can.
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Post by Mike on Jan 24, 2014 19:41:39 GMT 1
there's no 'we' without IP - NikeBoy
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Post by goof on Jan 25, 2014 1:13:21 GMT 1
there's no 'we' without IP - NikeBoy Nope, but we don't need IP or Nikeboy if we want to change the right profiles do we?
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Post by Schizm on Jan 25, 2014 13:57:36 GMT 1
Well, I for one don't like this "artificial" solution of lowering the attackpoints. And I think races without attackpoints like tomorrow are ridiculous, a to simple solution to the complex problem of finding the right balance between succesfull and failed attacks.
I like the idea that the escape of Tony Martin in last years wonderful Vuelta stage where the peloton needed a Fabian Cancelara to pull, can occur in Peloton to.
The only working solution for me should be in a higher impact of the numbers , f.i. 5 helpers on 70% should equal out a lonely attacker on 100% with an equal skill.
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Post by goof on Jan 25, 2014 21:31:47 GMT 1
Well, I for one don't like this "artificial" solution of lowering the attackpoints. And I think races without attackpoints like tomorrow are ridiculous, a to simple solution to the complex problem of finding the right balance between succesfull and failed attacks. I like the idea that the escape of Tony Martin in last years wonderful Vuelta stage where the peloton needed a Fabian Cancelara to pull, can occur in Peloton to. The only working solution for me should be in a higher impact of the numbers , f.i. 5 helpers on 70% should equal out a lonely attacker on 100% with an equal skill. Well, right now the stages without attackpoints are the only chances for the final sprinters in most divisions, so I welcome them. But an ideal solution would be to fine-tune the grouping and helpers in order to reduce the number of succesful (indivual) attacks.
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Post by ElGringo on Jan 25, 2014 23:01:05 GMT 1
there's no 'we' without IP - NikeBoy Nope, but we don't need IP or Nikeboy if we want to change the right profiles do we? Hi Goof, you are free to make stages. At this moment the managers that help me last season and for this season with the stages were Arno(Ab Normaal) and Marco(Tozzifan). Then I check the stages and send it to Nikeboy to put in the DB. Its good to have new stages for classics and tours, this way we can change the course every season this way managers nedd to make new tactics every season.
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Post by goof on Jan 26, 2014 0:32:56 GMT 1
Nope, but we don't need IP or Nikeboy if we want to change the right profiles do we? Hi Goof, you are free to make stages. At this moment the managers that help me last season and for this season with the stages were Arno(Ab Normaal) and Marco(Tozzifan). Then I check the stages and send it to Nikeboy to put in the DB. Its good to have new stages for classics and tours, this way we can change the course every season this way managers nedd to make new tactics every season. Good, I probably will have time to help with this for next season and renew some stages when neccessary.
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Post by tozzifan on Jan 27, 2014 19:18:12 GMT 1
Nope, but we don't need IP or Nikeboy if we want to change the right profiles do we? Hi Goof, you are free to make stages. At this moment the managers that help me last season and for this season with the stages were Arno(Ab Normaal) and Marco(Tozzifan). Then I check the stages and send it to Nikeboy to put in the DB. Its good to have new stages for classics and tours, this way we can change the course every season this way managers nedd to make new tactics every season. i'm going to send many new 2014 stage profiles. For sprint race Gand-Wevelgem i admit that simply overlooked attack points.....by the way the result seem the one realest of season. So i suggest to do 2 or 3 more sprint races in next seasons.
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Post by maxz on Jan 28, 2014 12:47:00 GMT 1
I think this rivalry is more from the Italians than the Dutch. I don't know the others quite well but Maxz is a really nice guy and he plays the game well. I don't have any trouble with it if he wins the division. haha dutch-ita rivalry it's simply a joke! I really feel my rivalry with roller/rats too... but we're friends! it's a game, every single player it's a rival for the w... btw I like calendar and engine as now, but every improvement is welcome... otherwise we surely need stability on the site, so we've to be careful... maybe we can add a different kind of HP, who helps out peloton's speed even if a teammate attacks... not so difficult to implement i think.... a sprint dedicated HP.
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