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Jan 10, 2013 11:27:30 GMT 1
Post by gelies on Jan 10, 2013 11:27:30 GMT 1
In div1, from the 8 teams, the team with the least money, has still almost 3M on his account WOW now I know I am the poorest team in 1.1 Good news just before the beginning of the season!
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Jan 10, 2013 11:43:11 GMT 1
Post by Quatannens on Jan 10, 2013 11:43:11 GMT 1
Ok, we have come to a nice point in the discussion I do agree there should be a more balanced income that depends less on race results. Now the biggest income is racemoney + supporters (also partly depending on results). You can always find examples from managers that are doing great but still don't make much money. The main causes are: - High staff cost (the whole discussion) - Cyclists wages (more and more becoming important) The cyclists wages are getting higher as contracts are being renewed. A lot of managers don't try to go for a low wage, but to keep their mood. It's a choice. Good mood and high salary will give you better raceresults, but I like to keep my weekly costs low. I get my wages to about 1/100th of the transfervalue. I see a lot of cyclists with wages of more than 10k while I'm sure there are not that much cyclists with a TV above 1M Anyway, the numbers Nikeboy has shown us are great. Not a lot of bankrupts, but still money coming in the game. The problem is, as I agree with Gringo that this goes to top teams. A little less resultdepending money and more weekly income would be nice, but please don't just higher the total income
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Jan 10, 2013 12:32:22 GMT 1
Post by NikeBoy on Jan 10, 2013 12:32:22 GMT 1
That's why I think that going to 12 teams per league is a very big step in the right direction.
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Jan 10, 2013 12:49:17 GMT 1
Post by Quatannens on Jan 10, 2013 12:49:17 GMT 1
I agree!
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Jan 10, 2013 14:15:31 GMT 1
Post by ElGringo on Jan 10, 2013 14:15:31 GMT 1
I can use my brothers example, he already played in V1 and start like me in V2 so a manager with some experience, and went to the final of Euro 2012 agains EGV. His team Id is 99. He has 84 victories till now and since the beginning he had a mono skill trainer. Last season he here in 3.7 and was the team with more stages victories, 14 but div 3.7 was one of the divisions with more people winning stages. If you see is finances he is near 100€ so he need to sell riders to be able to compete this season or he goes bankrupt. And this season will be more difficult with 15 active teams. You have the example of BOBRAINS (343) that already spoke in the forum that will close account and start new, and put some riders for sale and fire the trainer, and watching is transfer history he has profit. Team 99 has 3.7M of transfer debts (more bought than sold) Which trainer did 343 have ? Team 99 - 86 wins supose medium price for win of 40000 € gives 3.4 M without consider the final premiums and jerseys so is a team going down in money and with a monoskill trainer. I don't know, but was a multiskill. I am checking teams to see the Top Tv and I found out that some teams from Div3 and more from Div 4 don't have trainer. Or they will wait till the update to buy one or will play without trainer or are leaving the game.
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Jan 10, 2013 14:24:16 GMT 1
Post by ElGringo on Jan 10, 2013 14:24:16 GMT 1
Ok, we have come to a nice point in the discussion I do agree there should be a more balanced income that depends less on race results. Now the biggest income is racemoney + supporters (also partly depending on results). You can always find examples from managers that are doing great but still don't make much money. The main causes are: - High staff cost (the whole discussion) - Cyclists wages (more and more becoming important) The cyclists wages are getting higher as contracts are being renewed. A lot of managers don't try to go for a low wage, but to keep their mood. It's a choice. Good mood and high salary will give you better raceresults, but I like to keep my weekly costs low. I get my wages to about 1/100th of the transfervalue. I see a lot of cyclists with wages of more than 10k while I'm sure there are not that much cyclists with a TV above 1M Anyway, the numbers Nikeboy has shown us are great. Not a lot of bankrupts, but still money coming in the game. The problem is, as I agree with Gringo that this goes to top teams. A little less resultdepending money and more weekly income would be nice, but please don't just higher the total income The wages of riders is another emergent and they aren't in crises and always want more. Quatannens isn't easy to keep low salary when a rider win a lot of stages and jerseys. I have one rider ROMAIN AUDRAN (3203) that was my top rider in the old engine, and I renew with him some 2 seasons ago and he has now $30,250 salary. I trie one of this days to renew again and he ask me more then 40,000. I trie to use bonus and number of races and a salary of 20,000 and he didn't accepted. This season I will have a bigger problem, my best rider from S4 finish with 1207 points and his salary is $1,844 but I know that this season he will win more then 10 races. So I'm already afraid to see how will he ask me for salary and his contract is coming to an end. When rider don't win stages and races is easy to renew for a lower price in other cases is impossible.
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Jan 10, 2013 14:47:49 GMT 1
Post by Quatannens on Jan 10, 2013 14:47:49 GMT 1
It's easy for any kind of cyclist to renew with a lower wage. You will just have to accept that his mood will drop. If you want to renew cyclists and keep their mood delighted, that's your own choice. But realise it's a very expensive choice. Bring their mood back to content/ok and you can give them a lower wage, no matter how many stages they won. Actually it's even easier to give them a lower wage when they win a lot because you can offer nice bonusses for winning stages/jerseys, which you can't do for bad cyclists. btw: Saying that you know that a cyclist is going to win 10 stages is big talk! I which I had such a cyclist
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Jan 10, 2013 16:02:03 GMT 1
Post by Ab Normaal on Jan 10, 2013 16:02:03 GMT 1
Gringo, Quantannens is right. I am nr. 3 on the lust of teams with most victories so I can honestly say that I have cyclists with lot's of victories.
I already renewed a lot of contracts, but the cyclicst who earns the most is earning just over 6k and only because he gets 10% raise every year and this was the second year. They always ask me for more than 30, but I never do, just guarantee them a few races an be smart with the bonusses (give a high flat cyclist a huge bonus for a mountain yersey) than you can keep it low. And the mood only dropped one level!
Of course if you paid once a hugh salary, they never accept less. You wouldnt do that also.
Only way to get it back to normal is make a deal with a friendly manager. Sell him for a huge price to him and then buy it back. Then the salary will be realistis. With the risk that somebody else buys him...
And don't wait with renewing tot the final weeks. Do it earlier and don't offer too long contracts.
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Jan 10, 2013 16:25:45 GMT 1
Post by Quatannens on Jan 10, 2013 16:25:45 GMT 1
You can bring cyclists wages down Get their mood below 'ok' and you will be able to give a lower salary if the previous salary was reallly too high. (And I like long contracts, always renewing for 75 weeks )
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Post by lee1950 on Jan 11, 2013 4:55:19 GMT 1
Get their mood below 'ok' and you will be able to give a lower salary How do you lower their mood? Offer them for sale for $10M?
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Jan 11, 2013 10:00:18 GMT 1
Post by ElGringo on Jan 11, 2013 10:00:18 GMT 1
I never explore too much the ways to reduce the salary, but it seems like you guys say I need to give more then 1 contract.
Ex Audran salary is 30,000 so I make a new one at 20,000 if he accepts and then make a new one at 15,000 for example.
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Jan 11, 2013 10:54:40 GMT 1
Post by Quatannens on Jan 11, 2013 10:54:40 GMT 1
Get their mood below 'ok' and you will be able to give a lower salary How do you lower their mood? Offer them for sale for $10M? If you want to do it fast you just offer him a lower wage than he had, he will decline the offer and his mood will drop a little. I more like to offer the wage I want to pay, he will also decline and ask some other stuff. By the time his mood is 'ok' I will know what he wants +/- and be able to give him a contract he will accept. (Hint: Don't try it on your good cyclists yet, first buy some crappy cyclists for less than 1k and try it on them )
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Jan 11, 2013 10:56:05 GMT 1
Post by Quatannens on Jan 11, 2013 10:56:05 GMT 1
I never explore too much the ways to reduce the salary, but it seems like you guys say I need to give more then 1 contract. Ex Audran salary is 30,000 so I make a new one at 20,000 if he accepts and then make a new one at 15,000 for example. To actually lower a wage you will have to lower his mood to unhappy. You will be able to offer him 45 weeks with a respectable wage. (Try this first on cheap cyclists you buy for less than 1k, so you know what's going to happen!)
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Jan 11, 2013 13:42:00 GMT 1
Post by chakra on Jan 11, 2013 13:42:00 GMT 1
I got one with a contractrenewal for 75 weeks with no complaints of the cyclist or whatsoever. A wage for 2750 and cheap bonusses. Cyclist did not drop mood (happy) But I must say he is the only one who agreed immediately.
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Jan 11, 2013 14:35:46 GMT 1
Post by Quatannens on Jan 11, 2013 14:35:46 GMT 1
And what is his TV?
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