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Post by goof on Apr 17, 2012 19:09:09 GMT 1
You forget that we're making races for the new engine. The new engine clearly decreases the time differences in flat stages, so I must agree with kingstown therefore. To restore the balance a bit with the old engine, it is not a bad idea that the big tours (excluding the TdF) contain a few more flat stages as it now. But it's not realistic that a flat specialist does have any chance to win a tour imo.
I don't think that you should complain about your choice to choose to train flat kingstown, it's not really part of this topic. However, I'd be interested in the ratio of flat/ mountaintrainers in the best performing teams.
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Post by kingstown on Apr 17, 2012 19:14:26 GMT 1
I didn't complain about my choice for a flattrainer, i would chose it again if i would start over (or TT ), i was worried about even more mountainstages in the TdF.
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Post by goof on Apr 17, 2012 20:05:57 GMT 1
I didn't complain about my choice for a flattrainer, i would chose it again if i would start over (or TT ), i was worried about even more mountainstages in the TdF. Ok, me too (I think). And I will finish my stages this week.
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Post by VeryRisky on Apr 18, 2012 17:01:47 GMT 1
We have to accept that cycling isn't fair by that measure. Cancellara will not win the TDF.
In grand tours Mountain is the most important skill. That said I think we should look to vary the grand tours each season so it's not alwasy the same formula.
The devs can have some fun and give us a final stage timetrial in the TDF one year as per 1989. Or a short Mountain ITT per 2004. Some seasons will be a bit flatter and some a bit more bumpy.
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Post by kingstown on Apr 18, 2012 17:08:44 GMT 1
. Cancellara will not win the TDF. I realise that and no problem at all, that's not the issue. That sprinters can not win one stage in the Giro and only 1 in the Vuelta or 2 in the TdF....that's the issue...not the GC. Right now we have the most boring week in peloton with 4 stages in a row that have more or less the same profile. TT-ers have more opportunities to win stages in the 3 Tours then sprinters.
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Post by goof on Apr 18, 2012 18:17:34 GMT 1
Imo, the content of a big tour (11 stages) should be like this: 3 flat stages (>70% flat), 4 mountain stages (>30% mountain), 1 TTT (>70% flat), 1 ITT (preferably flat, but could also be mountain-ish), 2 transition stages (features mainly flat/ hill or flat/ downhill, anyway: 70% flat and <30% mountain).
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Post by Quatannens on Apr 18, 2012 20:13:50 GMT 1
I don't like the idea of making peloton that realistic. Flat trainers will be punished very hard. They never will win any time jersey or mountain jersey.
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Post by lee1950 on Apr 19, 2012 4:25:08 GMT 1
We have to accept that cycling isn't fair by that measure. Cancellara will not win the TDF. In grand tours Mountain is the most important skill. That said I think we should look to vary the grand tours each season so it's not alwasy the same formula. The devs can have some fun and give us a final stage timetrial in the TDF one year as per 1989. Or a short Mountain ITT per 2004. Some seasons will be a bit flatter and some a bit more bumpy. As far as I know, most of the race designers are including additional stages (for example 5 stages for a 3-day tour), so the "devs can have some fun" and balance the calendar. Also - the short tours should/need to be used to provide non-Mountain riders chances to dominate. There could easily be 3+ short tours with no mountain stages, which would provide some balance.
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Post by kingstown on Apr 19, 2012 12:17:13 GMT 1
I don't like the idea of making peloton that realistic. Flat trainers will be punished very hard. They never will win any time jersey or mountain jersey. That's no problem as far as i'm concerned...what i really don't like is that in the Vuelta and Giro you can't even win a green jersey and hardly any stages.
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Post by VeryRisky on Apr 19, 2012 13:54:45 GMT 1
So should we change the points system so that the points gained at the finish are lower in mountain stages. This is normally the case in the GTs
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Post by lee1950 on Apr 19, 2012 22:05:14 GMT 1
So should we change the points system so that the points gained at the finish are lower in mountain stages. This is normally the case in the GTs Totally works for me. It adds flavor and tactics, and gives Flat riders something to look forward to. For Example: Stages with a Mountain-top finish: 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 TT stages: 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 Other stages: 15, 12, 10, 8, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 (I don't have to do the programming!) ;D
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Post by JoeLag on Apr 20, 2012 10:14:53 GMT 1
By the way: An overhauling of mountain points wouldn't be too bad! As it is now you get exactly the same amount of points wether you have a 5 km 3% climb or wether you have a 25 km 8% climb. This is not RL like.
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Post by NikeBoy on Dec 30, 2012 13:32:34 GMT 1
What races would you like to see for next season ? Any ideas on the complete calender ?
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dave
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Post by dave on Dec 30, 2012 13:40:45 GMT 1
some under 20 (or 21? 23?). maybe 4 classic (week 2, 4, 9, 11?) and 2 minitour (week 6 and 13?)
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Post by Ab Normaal on Dec 30, 2012 14:24:26 GMT 1
The Team Time Trial back.
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