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Post by rarau on Mar 29, 2022 15:33:32 GMT 1
division 2.2 Firle Bostal (10254) bot - bankrupt his wages are low. probable in some weeks i will bankrupt too the transfers market is very low , i dont see too many cyclists sold with more then 500.000
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Post by nicmarsh01 on Mar 29, 2022 17:22:41 GMT 1
yes I went bankrupt, after 5 or 6 years or so and then this suffering in div 2 ... I had been ok in a div 2 before got my wages down, hired young talent , tried selling, maybe spent too much on trainer but couldn't earn any money and the last few weeks also could not but and sell merchandise which was a big loss.
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Post by nicmarsh01 on Mar 29, 2022 17:26:47 GMT 1
maybe bankrupt teams could go into a lowest weird division for has beens, rather than start again with a new team
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Post by nicmarsh01 on Mar 29, 2022 17:28:10 GMT 1
but more to the point if 2 teams had not avoided promotion I would still be playing the game. I have paid premium in the past, now probably won't even bother playing the game at all
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Post by dustin on Mar 29, 2022 18:39:28 GMT 1
ask ElGringo, may be he can help: - before, when it is critically he can give advice or give some help (has done it before) - after bankrupt, may be there are some possibilities (known teams come back after 'lost' because of time)
Hope there is a solution and in both cases to play further
keep in mind, to take measures, fire or so (merchandise is important)
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Post by ElGringo on Mar 29, 2022 22:00:14 GMT 1
A little while ago, game seems in crises and it does seem there's a fine line to the survival and future of this game. I have been playing for some time; I am not that successful as not an IT / data base type person or expert and not all that good at games. My time is limited. But I enjoy it and stick at it and try things out. BUT when mangers of teams start not competing to avoid promotion to a higher division I think we should be concerned. It's not good for future of the game that becomes a tactic. There a problem but can it be solved Just saw this topic now, my personal life this moment don't give me many space to do other stuffs. My brother call me about this situation and here I am. We know that we need to change some things but for some years we didn't had that possibility. We have to find time and a solution for that, maybe sponsor money is the best option (need to discuss with others). Rigth now we are working in a new web design and we also want to put the game more competitive(changing training speed and ages) but we need to do step by step. We now have a programmer working on the game so things could be better in the future. Can show some pictures of work in progress Link of Peloton website images: ibb.co/zbhmHC8ibb.co/6nhVmfxibb.co/jWbG5Hkibb.co/t8kVwyDI re-open your team if you want to keep playing.
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Post by Poekie on Mar 30, 2022 11:08:26 GMT 1
I have just 'lost' because of finances and now am out of the game.
Could it be that your financiel troubles were caused by your trainer? 7.4M wages for a season is a lot of money. There is a team in 1:1 that pays only 2.6M (for a 20 single skill trainer). A 19/19 trainer is also an option and much cheaper.
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Post by nicmarsh01 on Mar 30, 2022 16:25:37 GMT 1
I have just 'lost' because of finances and now am out of the game.
Could it be that your financiel troubles were caused by your trainer? 7.4M wages for a season is a lot of money. There is a team in 1:1 that pays only 2.6M (for a 20 single skill trainer). A 19/19 trainer is also an option and much cheaper.
7.4 M ?? really? I can't see it anyway lol
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Post by nicmarsh01 on Mar 30, 2022 16:27:12 GMT 1
A little while ago, game seems in crises and it does seem there's a fine line to the survival and future of this game. I have been playing for some time; I am not that successful as not an IT / data base type person or expert and not all that good at games. My time is limited. But I enjoy it and stick at it and try things out. BUT when mangers of teams start not competing to avoid promotion to a higher division I think we should be concerned. It's not good for future of the game that becomes a tactic. There a problem but can it be solved Just saw this topic now, my personal life this moment don't give me many space to do other stuffs. My brother call me about this situation and here I am. We know that we need to change some things but for some years we didn't had that possibility. We have to find time and a solution for that, maybe sponsor money is the best option (need to discuss with others). Rigth now we are working in a new web design and we also want to put the game more competitive(changing training speed and ages) but we need to do step by step. We now have a programmer working on the game so things could be better in the future. Can show some pictures of work in progress Link of Peloton website images: ibb.co/zbhmHC8ibb.co/6nhVmfxibb.co/jWbG5Hkibb.co/t8kVwyDI re-open your team if you want to keep playing. thank you for your attention; I think maybe I will consider just starting again. if someone could tell what date the next season starts I might aim to come in on the 'off week'
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Post by nicmarsh01 on Mar 30, 2022 16:28:36 GMT 1
I have just 'lost' because of finances and now am out of the game.
Could it be that your financiel troubles were caused by your trainer? 7.4M wages for a season is a lot of money. There is a team in 1:1 that pays only 2.6M (for a 20 single skill trainer). A 19/19 trainer is also an option and much cheaper.
oh and the financial troubles were really caused by ending up in the wrong division tanks to 2 other players; thats what I have been saying all along. How do you avoid that situation. I have been fine for 5 / 6 years til now!
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Post by dustin on Mar 30, 2022 17:46:48 GMT 1
nicmarsh01You are allready back, try the u21 race tomorrow (my) advice: Ask ElGringo for lower trainer skills (not sure if that is possible) Sell or fire unnecessary riders
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Post by nicmarsh01 on Mar 30, 2022 17:53:29 GMT 1
nicmarsh01 You are allready back, try the u21 race tomorrow (my) advice: Ask ElGringo for lower trainer skills (not sure if that is possible) Sell or fire unnecessary riders WOW! thanks for letting me know. yes the rebuilding will begin! thanks to everyone for help here
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Post by majortinkle on Nov 6, 2022 2:45:38 GMT 1
I think the issue is with the league structure.
Currently Div 3 is a trap with only 1 relegating.
If you promote too early you're stuck there until you're bankrupt or sell all your riders.
I'm probably ok for another couple of seasons in Div 3 and I hope my results improve in that time so I can cope for longer.
For the teams below me it must be much more of a financial struggle and with 2 teams without a manager it will be at least another season before they can relegate and build finances again.
I imagine there is a yo-yo between Div 2 and Div 3 as they have 4 relegation spots so you can have alternate years of feast and famine and keep going until you can survive in Div 2. Needs to be the same between Div 3 and Div 4
Looking at current div breakdown we have
1.1 - 12 teams 2.1 - 12 teams 2.2 - 12 teams 3.1 - 10 teams 3.2 - 10 teams 3.3 - 12 teams 3.4 - 10 teams 4.1 - 7 teams 4.2 - 6 teams 8 Div 5's - 13 teams in total
I reckon league structure should go:
Div 1: 4 go down Div 2.1 & 2.2: 2 go up 4 go down Div 3.1 & 3.2: 4 go up 4 go down Div 4.1 & 4.2: 4 go up 6 go down Div 5.1,5.2,5.3 & 5.4: 3 go up 6 go down Div 6's as required
This way if you promote too early the chances are you are only going to have to survive one season and it's unlikely that you can build up a lot of cash for multiple seasons without promoting (or without having to spend that cash on new riders when you promote) - it should be less economic to sit on a side in a low division that's easily good enough to make money in a higher division
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Post by ElGringo on Nov 8, 2022 20:35:31 GMT 1
I agree that the current system isn't right and we need t implement a new one. If someone has a good option for a restruturation of the divisions we will apply it.
Majortinkle your option don't work, we don't have teams to fill 5 divisions adding a 6th division don't make sense. Also if we promote many teams from div 4 they stp playing as well because of finantial problems in 3rd div of lack of competitivity.
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Post by majortinkle on Nov 12, 2022 5:24:11 GMT 1
By 'Div 6 as required' I meant you add them as you need them - you don't need them at the moment
You can't play this game and not expect to be uncompetitive in a league at some point. If players can't cope with that it's not the game for them and you're not going to keep them regardless of league structure.
Teams just can't financially cope with multiple seasons being uncompetitive.
Just promote and relegate more teams each year - a minimum of 4 teams need to get relegated from every division each year then the problem will be solved.
Yes in the structure I suggested teams will be uncompetitive when they first promote to Div.3 but they will relegate and have a profitable and competitive season in Div 4 the following year. Managed well and they will yo-yo between Div 3 & 4 until they're strong enough to be competitive in Div 3. Not managed well and they at least have a successful season every other year.
The only issue currently is that so few teams relegate from Div.3 that you get stuck there and go bankrupt or have to completely rip your team apart - that is something that will make long term players leave.
Div 3.2 for example is made up of 3 profitable challengers, 5 battlers losing money, 2 waiting to relegate on minimum trainer and riders and 2 with no manager. Only 1 team relegates so it's a long wait to go down and rebuild.....
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