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Post by quiller on Oct 26, 2019 8:01:28 GMT 1
quiller, it is also about a hidden talent of your rider to get hurt. To that respect, you did an awfull choice in training Ruytjes as one of your leader. Some seasons ago in 3:2 I have noticed as well that he deserves the nickname: "the man of glass". Seems it did not improve much: It is true about Ruytjens… But until he was 22y he got one injury… so I was extremely Lucky until then… BUT it was also too late then. He is not my main problem though (i have Always a spare leader for at least 5 attackpoints.) Renuart almost never gets injured…
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Post by quiller on Oct 27, 2019 13:28:26 GMT 1
Well... Bad luck seems to be continuing for me... My main rider today (stotijn) was in a very good position (in a group he could follow) when he started the worst part of the race for him… And he fell… hopeless position out of top 15 and alone… so the gap got only bigger until it was too late.
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Post by bosko on Oct 28, 2019 7:58:06 GMT 1
Standings Week 14Nr | Team | RW | TJ | PJ | MJ | YJ | Pnts | Pnts % | Ptns Wk | Ptns Wk % | Rank Wk | Rank Diff | 1 | Arsenal '98 | 15 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 1 | 4269 | 17,13% | 253 | 16,93% | 2 | 0 | 2 | SpartaB | 11 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 2626 | 10,54% | 257 | 17,2% | 1 | 2 | 3 | JOOP Cycling Team | 11 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2575 | 10,33% | 122 | 8,17% | 6 | 0 | 4 | GIK team | 10 | 4 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 2514 | 10,09% | 38 | 2,54% | 10 | -2 | 5 | Headcase Pro Cycling | 5 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 2215 | 8,89% | 163 | 10,91% | 4 | 0 | 6 | WC VroOom | 6 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 2122 | 8,52% | 101 | 6,76% | 8 | 0 | 7 | Quiller Boys | 3 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1887 | 7,57% | 99 | 6,63% | 9 | 0 | 8 | ALESANA | 10 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1858 | 7,46% | 106 | 7,1% | 7 | 0 | 9 | Tossboom | 6 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 8 | 1773 | 7,12% | 137 | 9,17% | 5 | 0 | 10 | DeRodeLantaarn | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1224 | 4,91% | 6 | 0,4% | 12 | 0 | 11 | Low Budget Cycling | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1209 | 4,85% | 193 | 12,92% | 3 | 0 | 12 | En Danseuse | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 646 | 2,59% | 19 | 1,27% | 11 | 0 |
Promotion: 112 points between nr 2 and nr 4 Relegation: 114 points between nr 7 and nr 9 Only 2 weeks left, everything still possible... Week 14: RacesNr | Team | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4-5 | 6-10 | Total | 1 | Arsenal '98 | | 2 | 2 | 2 | 5 | 11 | 2 | SpartaB | 2 | 1 | | 1 | 2 | 6 | 3 | JOOP Cycling Team | 1 | | 1 | | 3 | 5 | 4 | GIK team | | | | | 5 | 5 | 5 | Headcase Pro Cycling | 1 | | | 2 | 1 | 4 | 6 | WC VroOom | | | 2 | 1 | 4 | 7 | 7 | Quiller Boys | | 1 | | 1 | 3 | 5 | 8 | ALESANA | | | 1 | 3 | 1 | 5 | 9 | Tossboom | 1 | | | 1 | 2 | 4 | 10 | DeRodeLantaarn | | | | | | 0 | 11 | Low Budget Cycling | 1 | 2 | | 1 | 2 | 6 | 12 | En Danseuse | | | | | 2 | 2 |
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Post by bosko on Oct 29, 2019 9:09:39 GMT 1
We interrupt the Vuelta with the Tour of Britain.
The first race is a very interesting one: an anything but ordinary sprint race. Many points to earn in between, but the steep mountains in the end might kill the real "sprinters". Some possible favourites: Mabit (JOOP Cycling Team), Craddon (WC VroOom), maybe Michaux (Headcase Pro Cycling) or Perdijk (GIK team)? I hope Carpignoli can hang on as long as possible.
The second race is a hilly one, probably decisive for GC. Strauss (Arsenal '98) is the clear favourite. Behind him Perot (Headcase Pro Cycling), Niculae (WC VroOom), Kellner (GIK team) and hopefully Delarue can fight for podium.
As the last stage is an all flat individual time trial, some favourites for next weeks World Championship might test their legs (at 85%?). Van Rumst (Arsenal '98) seems to be the favourite here.
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Post by tossboom on Oct 29, 2019 13:19:02 GMT 1
So Quiller giving up without a fight?
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Post by bosko on Oct 29, 2019 14:04:01 GMT 1
So Quiller giving up without a fight? That would be a too bad... Disappointed in todays final result. When I saw Carpignoli finishing 3rd in every mountain sprint, I was hoping he would take points in the final sprint too, making it almost sure to win the points jersey. Don't really know why, but the last part is apparently calculated totally differently than the last mountain sprint. Both parts are 5km at 15%, but for one reason, in the last part almost everyone loses contact (TT and MO more important there?) with Craddon and Dhaenekint. A bit strange that Karel and Gracia were the only ones able to follow them while going respectively at only 75% and even save fitness. Apparently the bonus you get for low weight must be huge! Although it's a bit strange why that is used in the final part and not in the final mountain sprint (was also 5km, 15%), where Karel and Gracia didn't even make the top 10.
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Post by pollyjean on Oct 29, 2019 14:43:45 GMT 1
I think it isn't because of weight.
Well I think your rider Carpignoli is very high in sprint and somewhere medium in mountain? That makes 3th place on a mountain sprint. On the last part, but before the sprint, many riders are dropped according to mountain skills. Sprint only decides then in what order you finish inside your group. So if they would have stayed together to the finish you probably would have ended 3th (or a difference in helpers could have changed something).
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Post by chakra on Oct 29, 2019 14:44:43 GMT 1
So Quiller giving up without a fight? Seems so. That is a pitty. But it ain't over till the fat lady sings. So no ToB for Quiller, but I guess he will take his advantages in the single races. Toss you are coming closer and closer! Hope I can hold you off.
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Post by bosko on Oct 29, 2019 15:23:32 GMT 1
I think it isn't because of weight. Well I think your rider Carpignoli is very high in sprint and somewhere medium in mountain? That makes 3th place on a mountain sprint. On the last part, but before the sprint, many riders are dropped according to mountain skills. Sprint only decides then in what order you finish inside your group. So if they would have stayed together to the finish you probably would have ended 3th (or a difference in helpers could have changed something). Indeed. Only I don't know why in the last part suddenly everyone one loses contact, while at an exactly the same part, everyone stayed together. You're right about Carpignoli's stats. If only his helper Maffei didn't fall just before the final part... As he weighs 52kg and has decent MO, he would have been able to follow, dragging Carpi with him. So one fall changed a possible pos 3 and 4 and point jersey in a 15 and 16. The point jersey will normally go to Strauss if he goes full. Ow well, there are worse things. quiller will probably agree... So Quiller giving up without a fight? Seems so. That is a pitty. But it ain't over till the fat lady sings. So no ToB for Quiller, but I guess he will take his advantages in the single races. Toss you are coming closer and closer! Hope I can hold you off. I think tossboom means quiller might didn't enter ToB on purpose because he wants to relegate. I hope that's not the case. I can surely understand losing Renuart in the Vuelta must be extremely frustrating, but a relegation doesn't change anything about that. In 3rd division, one also can fall and get injured. quiller: come on, don't give up!
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Post by JOOP Cycling Team on Oct 29, 2019 15:45:56 GMT 1
Hello Guys.
As you may know I try to stay in Division 2. This is more difficult as thought and to achieve this Although I would have preferred nothing to fight against an Arsenal for the 1st place. I'm sorry the game has to be played that way. Next season I will go all out and take the win in div 2:1.
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Post by chakra on Oct 29, 2019 23:22:53 GMT 1
bosko: I know what Toss meant about quillers not subscribing ToB. And I know quillers feeling about losing Renuart in the Vuelta. I had the same feeling when I lost Grilo while he was in a winning mood for time jersey and points jersey. (Couple seasons ago. It was not a case of promotion or relegation that time. And if quiller wants too, he can survive 2nd Div. Of course for ToB it is too late.
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Post by bosko on Oct 30, 2019 8:00:43 GMT 1
Hello Guys.
As you may know I try to stay in Division 2. This is more difficult as thought and to achieve this Although I would have preferred nothing to fight against an Arsenal for the 1st place. I'm sorry the game has to be played that way. Next season I will go all out and take the win in div 2:1. I was afraid so. That was the only logic explanation for your tactics the last weeks. I think you would have easily been 2nd in our league (braking a little bit wasn't enough, you really had to use the emergency brake) and that you wouldn't do bad (= fight for pos 8) in 1:1 next year. You think in one season it would be u much better moment to promote?
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Post by JOOP Cycling Team on Oct 30, 2019 9:36:29 GMT 1
I'm really sorry, it wasn't just at the start of the season, I already knew this last season. I kept the brakes on almost the entire season, including in the tour, vuelta and now also in the tour of britain. I have only anticipated a GIK. I think I could easily compete with an Arsenal. If I come to the 1: 1 division then I want to stay there;) I have analyzed many teams that are on the ball.
the generation (26) In this way Schade, Lathouwer and Hamers have a little more time to develop and possibly to gather a few points in a 1: 1 div. They will then (28 years)
I understand that I cannot compete with a Slayer and a Franconia and the established order, but I will show better than I do my promote this year
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Post by quiller on Oct 30, 2019 13:59:53 GMT 1
So Quiller giving up without a fight? No. Absolutely not. I still believe that if we all fight for it now I will relegate… That being said : The reason I didnt subscribe for TOB is purely strategic. I cannot score many points there, maybe just a top 5 in one stage. So I decided to not participate because I have to score in the final two weeks (a lot) and an injury on one or two riders in the TOB would be a desaster.
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Post by tossboom on Oct 30, 2019 16:32:14 GMT 1
Good to hear that Quiller... I hate relegating on purpose, even though it may be better for the mood and finances.
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