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Post by majortinkle on Dec 24, 2022 12:37:36 GMT 1
I will add my best rider ever in total Sum skills here, never had a rider reaching 60 skills points, so here goes: AFONSO XAVIER (138804)Secondary skills Steering 14Experience 19Balance 16Leadership 17I had no idea Experience and Leadership went that high!! You could have your whole team attacking at every attack point with him. 31 pages of race results - he must never be off the bike! Just how important is experience - I must admit I race my riders a lot less than Xavier - am I dooming my trainees to be useless regardless of skill level as a result? |
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Post by naspa on Dec 24, 2022 14:16:50 GMT 1
Well, leaders make a lot of races to get high leadership and will often reach high secundary skills. Secundaries of my best two:
18 19 20 20
19 17 20 20
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Post by JoeLag on Dec 27, 2022 13:29:26 GMT 1
Harhar  After one season I stopped training my leader so he wouldn't demand ridiculous wages. Of course at 37 he started declining skills already some time ago ... but his secondaries of course are top. You can't prevent it if you use him for nearly each race  ED SOLBREUX (142537) Flat 4 Hill 1 Mountain 1 Downhill 2 Sprint 1 Time Trial 1 Steering 19 Experience 20 Balance 16 Leadership 19 |
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Post by majortinkle on Dec 29, 2022 11:30:57 GMT 1
I get how that makes sense, but I'm trying to work out whether it is the only way to produce competitive cyclists or not.
I guess I am asking whether a level of experience is worth the same as a level of flat, mountain, hill or whatever in terms of performance/times?
If it is I'll have to change my method as I currently try and share rides and leadership (across 4 leaders) but it means they are less experienced and given how experienced riders can become I'll have to change if it has a big impact.
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Post by Mike on Dec 29, 2022 12:06:17 GMT 1
experience has a huge impact
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Post by pollyjean on Dec 29, 2022 13:05:58 GMT 1
I get how that makes sense, but I'm trying to work out whether it is the only way to produce competitive cyclists or not. I guess I am asking whether a level of experience is worth the same as a level of flat, mountain, hill or whatever in terms of performance/times? If it is I'll have to change my method as I currently try and share rides and leadership (across 4 leaders) but it means they are less experienced and given how experienced riders can become I'll have to change if it has a big impact. A leader should mainly have good leadership. It makes more sense to share leadership over less riders, for example two. It is better to have 2 leaders with high leadership compared to 4 leaders having average. Experience is helpfull for all riders that want to have good results. |
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Post by rarau on Dec 29, 2022 13:37:53 GMT 1
I get how that makes sense, but I'm trying to work out whether it is the only way to produce competitive cyclists or not. I guess I am asking whether a level of experience is worth the same as a level of flat, mountain, hill or whatever in terms of performance/times? If it is I'll have to change my method as I currently try and share rides and leadership (across 4 leaders) but it means they are less experienced and given how experienced riders can become I'll have to change if it has a big impact. a leader need only Leadership also need some skills for TTT races so is better to have, in my opinnion something like this: 666 6xy first 4 are flat, hill, mountain and downhill sprint dont need on TTT TT how much is possible. But dont train so much in one skill because his wage could become very high. |
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Post by quiller on Dec 30, 2022 22:27:31 GMT 1
I get how that makes sense, but I'm trying to work out whether it is the only way to produce competitive cyclists or not. I guess I am asking whether a level of experience is worth the same as a level of flat, mountain, hill or whatever in terms of performance/times? If it is I'll have to change my method as I currently try and share rides and leadership (across 4 leaders) but it means they are less experienced and given how experienced riders can become I'll have to change if it has a big impact. a leader need only Leadership also need some skills for TTT races so is better to have, in my opinnion something like this: 666 6xy first 4 are flat, hill, mountain and downhill sprint dont need on TTT TT how much is possible. But dont train so much in one skill because his wage could become very high. To keep the wage of the leader relatively low I would bring flat and hill to 7... TT as high as possible (ttt races and tt races) but mountain and downhill i would not train (I cannot remember to have seen mountain in ttt races...) -- that is : if GC of the big three are important to you... If not I would not bother at all with his stats... |
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Post by rarau on Jan 2, 2023 13:42:46 GMT 1
maybe you are correct about mountain in TTT
but in ITT is mountain
5 feb Italia ITT 19 km of mountain
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Post by quiller on Jan 23, 2023 12:46:32 GMT 1
maybe you are correct about mountain in TTT but in ITT is mountain 5 feb Italia ITT 19 km of mountain Correct, but the 'leadership' rider does not need it if it is not in TTT (mountain) ... He is only there to give an edge to your GC man in the TTT's |
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Post by Mike on Apr 2, 2023 20:15:38 GMT 1
End of training for this one, not the magic 60 visible skill but 'only' 58
JOSEPH WOUTERS (142475)
General
Country: Belgium
Team: SeMTeX
Age: 34
Height: 1m68
Weight: 52kg
Wage: 42.472 €
Mood: delighted
Transfervalue: 4.016.632 €
Primary skills
Flat 7
Hill 7
Mountain 16
Downhill 5
Sprint 10
Time trial 13
Secondary skills
Steering 10 Balance 15
Experience 16 Leadership 1
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Post by quiller on Apr 3, 2023 14:09:49 GMT 1
End of training for this one, not the magic 60 visible skill but 'only' 58 JOSEPH WOUTERS (142475) GeneralCountry: Belgium Team: SeMTeX Age: 34 Height: 1m68 Weight: 52kg Wage: 42.472 € Mood: delighted Transfervalue: 4.016.632 € Primary skillsFlat 7 Hill 7 Mountain 16 Downhill 5 Sprint 10 Time trial 13 Secondary skillsSteering 10 Balance 15 Experience 16 Leadership 1 That is a very nice one!!!! -- Just for stats you could train his downhill 2 stats up  |
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Post by Mike on Apr 3, 2023 16:44:52 GMT 1
 you can't train after age 34, but that would indeed be a nice way for his stats happy to have him in the team, brings a lot of cash into the team every season |
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Post by JOOP Cycling Team on Apr 4, 2023 18:13:54 GMT 1
End of training for this one, not the magic 60 visible skill but 'only' 58 JOSEPH WOUTERS (142475) GeneralCountry: Belgium Team: SeMTeX Age: 34 Height: 1m68 Weight: 52kg Wage: 42.472 € Mood: delighted Transfervalue: 4.016.632 € Primary skillsFlat 7 Hill 7 Mountain 16 Downhill 5 Sprint 10 Time trial 13 Secondary skillsSteering 10 Balance 15 Experience 16 Leadership 1 Ai ai I had estimated Wouters a lot better. In a div 1 may not win a course I'm afraid. |
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Post by Mike on Apr 4, 2023 19:49:05 GMT 1
It's a bit funny, I seem to know you so well. Thx for you're professional input in this matter. You are allways so positive and a cheerful person |
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you can't train after age 34, but that would indeed be a nice way for his stats
