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Post by Genomico on Dec 27, 2013 16:47:07 GMT 1
Maxz and Punkska: 50 km hill, 104 downhill. You can't make a difference on downhill, because the base speed of a cyclist is high and skillvalues doesn't make that speed high enough to create a gap in a race. The only way it could be useful is at a downhill finish with an attack at the start of last part, but even then sprint would be much more important for creating a gap. That's why in this race downhill is useless making it a hill race.
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Post by Ab Normaal on Dec 27, 2013 16:47:39 GMT 1
Than it is really time for a downhill classic!
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Post by Ab Normaal on Dec 27, 2013 16:50:10 GMT 1
Maxz and Punkska: 50 km hill, 104 downhill. You can't make a difference on downhill, because the base speed of a cyclist is high and skillvalues doesn't make that speed high enough to create a gap in a race. The only way it could be useful is at a downhill finish with an attack at the start of last part, but even then sprint would be much more important for creating a gap. That's why in this race downhill is useless making it a hill race. But why is Head finishing then 2nd with his lousy 2 on hill while Lamego and Masek (with high hill skill and better TT skill) finish after him?
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Post by maxz on Dec 27, 2013 16:51:36 GMT 1
Maxz and Punkska: 50 km hill, 104 downhill. yeah, I know... but 104km with your guys's sprint/TT/DH combo simply aren't enough to compete with the 50km 11hill guy so DH wasn't the main skill today. Is not a single skill issue, never (or better, except in total mountain stages), u've to consider all variable with sprint attack points TT value and so on, all of this have impact on the engine simulation.
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Post by Ab Normaal on Dec 27, 2013 16:52:30 GMT 1
Btw, curious what happens with sundays race. At the participating teams you still see the teams of monay's race.
I somehow have the feeling that it doesn't really will go well....
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Post by maxz on Dec 27, 2013 16:53:35 GMT 1
Yes, but after you calculate the terrain weights it's 75 for hill, and 52 for downhill (and 44 for mountain) we have the numbers.. nice
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Post by Ab Normaal on Dec 27, 2013 16:53:46 GMT 1
Maxz and Punkska: 50 km hill, 104 downhill. yeah, I know... but 104km with your guys's sprint/TT/DH combo simply aren't enough to compete with the 50km 11hill guy so DH wasn't the main skill today. Is not a single skill issue, never (or better, except in total mountain stages), u've to consider all variable with sprint attack points TT value and so on, all of this have impact on the engine simulation. Don't know. Problem is that Head only attacked once. He was riding with Oosthuysse the whole time, nut Oosthuysse attacked later and Head didn't.
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Post by maxz on Dec 27, 2013 16:55:52 GMT 1
Maxz and Punkska: 50 km hill, 104 downhill. You can't make a difference on downhill, because the base speed of a cyclist is high and skillvalues doesn't make that speed high enough to create a gap in a race. The only way it could be useful is at a downhill finish with an attack at the start of last part, but even then sprint would be much more important for creating a gap. That's why in this race downhill is useless making it a hill race. useless for u man... u've a 11 hill
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Post by Ab Normaal on Dec 27, 2013 16:56:37 GMT 1
You can't make a difference on downhill, because the base speed of a cyclist is high and skillvalues doesn't make that speed high enough to create a gap in a race. The only way it could be useful is at a downhill finish with an attack at the start of last part, but even then sprint would be much more important for creating a gap. That's why in this race downhill is useless making it a hill race. But why is Head finishing then 2nd with his lousy 2 on hill while Lamego and Masek (with high hill skill and better TT skill) finish after him? Oh, and I don't want to sound like a nagger. You obviously understand the engine better than me, because you always seem to put up the right riders. With these questions I want to understand it better.
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Post by maxz on Dec 27, 2013 17:02:41 GMT 1
yeah, I know... but 104km with your guys's sprint/TT/DH combo simply aren't enough to compete with the 50km 11hill guy so DH wasn't the main skill today. Is not a single skill issue, never (or better, except in total mountain stages), u've to consider all variable with sprint attack points TT value and so on, all of this have impact on the engine simulation. Don't know. Problem is that Head only attacked once. He was riding with Oosthuysse the whole time, nut Oosthuysse attacked later and Head didn't. yeah, this is another aspect, he was riding with oost in the part without attack points, so he gained somewhere from being in the "group" with him... and the same for oost... I'm talking generally btw, not had the time to analize deeply today's race, but I runned the cronacle... But it's this way the engne works.... there is a lot of variety... about attacks... if u attack 5 times with a 2(?) spri u can't really hope to win a race,,,
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Post by Ab Normaal on Dec 27, 2013 18:48:24 GMT 1
about attacks... if u attack 5 times with a 2(?) spri u can't really hope to win a race,,, You can if you let him attack on a skill which he has higher than almost all others (downhill in this case). And do you remember a guy named Malton? He has sprint 2 and he won a few in his career....
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Post by Genomico on Dec 27, 2013 21:25:28 GMT 1
Btw, curious what happens with sundays race. At the participating teams you still see the teams of monay's race. I somehow have the feeling that it doesn't really will go well.... And it are the cyclists I already sold Wondering as well if that is going to be ok.
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Post by maxz on Dec 28, 2013 0:56:45 GMT 1
about attacks... if u attack 5 times with a 2(?) spri u can't really hope to win a race,,, You can if you let him attack on a skill which he has higher than almost all others (downhill in this case). And do you remember a guy named Malton? He has sprint 2 and he won a few in his career.... haha with a 7 it's a bit different than a 16... lol are u kiddin me? and DH isn't mountain as I told u...
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Post by Ab Normaal on Dec 28, 2013 8:32:59 GMT 1
You can if you let him attack on a skill which he has higher than almost all others (downhill in this case). And do you remember a guy named Malton? He has sprint 2 and he won a few in his career.... haha with a 7 it's a bit different than a 16... lol are u kiddin me? and DH isn't mountain as I told u... I know, but all attacks were succesfull. I am convinced that with tt 7 he would have finished in top 5.
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Post by Ab Normaal on Dec 29, 2013 13:21:42 GMT 1
Started and ended with a victory.... Happy new year for everybody and see you next season.
Genomico, thanks for all your lessons, good luck and hopefully see you later!
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