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Post by maxz on Dec 26, 2013 16:27:48 GMT 1
Well, great competition! GL to seberla&roller for the final 2 at worst i'll finish better than the last season! anw I really had a lot of fun this season... thx guys!
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Post by Quatannens on Dec 26, 2013 16:59:03 GMT 1
Finally another win, Borrego seems a loser to me ^^ I'm very high in general standings (NOT) due to my tactical masterpiece the first race (saving fitness ).
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Post by maxz on Dec 26, 2013 17:35:29 GMT 1
1. Equipe à Grande Vitesse 22 8 0 4 5430 2. PAN 15 0 2 1 2755 3. Rats 11 1 2 2 2746 4. Team Franconia 5 0 4 1 2716 5. De Kasseienstoempers 5 0 1 0 2202 6. WC Bloedzak 7 1 1 0 1955 7. De Droeftoeters 9 0 2 1 1729 8. Lions of Avalon 2 1 0 1 1645 9. De Koereurs 7 1 0 1 1473 10. Petrolul Ploiesti 1 1 1 1 1151 11. Tours.Cycle.Club 2 0 0 1 998 12. Forza17 1 0 0 0 775 1. Moisés Aragão PAN 527 2. Harald Veland Team Franconia 356 3. Alwin Drouin Rats 308 4. Marie Gendreau PAN 307 5. Selim Devred Rats 303 6. Montes Gurule PAN 299 7. Nae Lupescu Rats 267 8. Simplicio Tappa Team Franconia 266 9. Ronnie MacColman De Droeftoeters 251 10. Silvestro Fars De Kasseienstoempers 249 really close up final uh?
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Post by Ab Normaal on Dec 27, 2013 14:16:19 GMT 1
Maxz: it is not all about time trial?
Check todays results and imagine my two riders Head and Nica. Head 4-2-8-7-5-6 67 kgs fitness 99% Nica 7-3-9-6-2-4 68 kgs fitness 99%
Head's decimals are almost all.0, Nica's decimals are higher, except for tt which is .0 They both attack at point 1, mountain. That is the last attackpoint for Head. Nica attacks 4 more times, every time succesfull according to the report. But still Head finishes more than 1 minute before Nica.
I obviously don't understand this engine, so please can somebody explain it to me. I went for the stage with Nica, but I should have done it with Head. If I attacked more with Head, he probably would have won the stage. That he now wins the green jersey is an enormous amount of pure luck and was not intentional. Who can it be that Nica, who is a better rider in mountain (8,0 against 9,5) with the same weight as Head, loses 1 minute on Head? I think only because the TT difference is exatly 2. But then again 2 on tt agains 1,5 for Nica on mountain, means a diffrence of only 0,5.
Please explain me, because I really don't understand a f#%& of it.
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Post by Ab Normaal on Dec 27, 2013 14:20:47 GMT 1
Oh, and by the way, Seberla. You are so unbelievably German. Winning in injury time... In the last but one race for the first time this season to second spot... But really, really great performance! Respect. Also for my Italian colleagues, fantastic season, although I see, we will have lots of them next season
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Post by cirao83 on Dec 27, 2013 15:32:35 GMT 1
Oh, and by the way, Seberla. You are so unbelievably German. Winning in injury time... In the last but one race for the first time this season to second spot... But really, really great performance! Respect. Also for my Italian colleagues, fantastic season, although I see, we will have lots of them next season Winning in injury time? Ohhh the memories takes me back a few years ago (2006) Congratulations to all! The next season will come the reinforcements of Team Italy
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Post by maxz on Dec 27, 2013 16:17:42 GMT 1
Maxz: it is not all about time trial? Check todays results and imagine my two riders Head and Nica. Head 4-2-8-7-5-6 67 kgs fitness 99% Nica 7-3-9-6-2-4 68 kgs fitness 99% Head's decimals are almost all.0, Nica's decimals are higher, except for tt which is .0 They both attack at point 1, mountain. That is the last attackpoint for Head. Nica attacks 4 more times, every time succesfull according to the report. But still Head finishes more than 1 minute before Nica. I obviously don't understand this engine, so please can somebody explain it to me. I went for the stage with Nica, but I should have done it with Head. If I attacked more with Head, he probably would have won the stage. That he now wins the green jersey is an enormous amount of pure luck and was not intentional. Who can it be that Nica, who is a better rider in mountain (8,0 against 9,5) with the same weight as Head, loses 1 minute on Head? I think only because the TT difference is exatly 2. But then again 2 on tt agains 1,5 for Nica on mountain, means a diffrence of only 0,5. Please explain me, because I really don't understand a f#%& of it. 1. today was clearly hill the main skill, not TT or mountain... and flat was surely irrilevant, oosthing is 11hill and "only" 4 TT 2. Nica lacks sprint, not TT. Remember the importance of sprint when attacking. That counts also in mountain parts. 3. The last trick i'll reveal u is that your guys have high downhill value... and that's really interesting for me concerning the engine...
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Post by Ab Normaal on Dec 27, 2013 16:20:49 GMT 1
1. No, today downhill should be the main skill. 50% of the race was downhill. 3. Why?
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Post by maxz on Dec 27, 2013 16:21:17 GMT 1
Oh, and by the way, Seberla. You are so unbelievably German. Winning in injury time... In the last but one race for the first time this season to second spot... But really, really great performance! Respect. Also for my Italian colleagues, fantastic season, although I see, we will have lots of them next season Winning in injury time? Ohhh the memories takes me back a few years ago (2006) Congratulations to all! The next season will come the reinforcements of Team Italy Welcome!!! We really need an help from you guys!
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Post by maxz on Dec 27, 2013 16:33:12 GMT 1
1. No, today downhill should be the main skill. 50% of the race was downhill. 3. Why? My friend, hill has much more impact on the engine than DH, I don't remember exactly the numbers... as mountain is higher than hill... so u have to compare terrains/impact coz I thought that an highDH value can't make so much difference and this adds more variety to the training plans... and at last, mate, u (and others) are often surprised by our (italians) results, but u've to understand that i'm (we) planning my training since first season thinkin about the engine and FA changing... I was prepared for the NE and at now it's paying a lot... but we doesn't know so much about the future but I'm confident... or at least I hope...
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Post by punkska on Dec 27, 2013 16:37:53 GMT 1
1. No, today downhill should be the main skill. 50% of the race was downhill. Downhill only counts for half of it's distance though. I can't recall the exact wording or more techinical terms, but this has been the case forever. Hill = 1.5 x distance, mountain 2x. As for your main complaint re: your two riders, I agree with Manx about the low sprint of your main attacker. I had a very similar race yesterday, Gisriel with one attack, Derjickere with 3 or 4 (I forget). The latter had higher hill (only ~1), at least equal mountain, weighs ~40kg less, higher sprint by ~2, but TT of ~3 less. No falls or flats for either. I only checked out the full race report today, but Derj lost contact on a downhill section (Derj has ~1 higher DH as well but I'm choosing to ignore this quirk ) only 15 seconds or something, but as Gis stayed in a group with 2/3 other riders (at least one of whom I know has very high TT skill also), Derj riding alone, was never able to reconnect, despite a couple of attacks post this point. I think this example makes sense, I don't know if your race was so logical though. I think we can definitely say an attack with a high TT rider early on in the race is a good move.
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Post by Ab Normaal on Dec 27, 2013 16:38:52 GMT 1
1. No, today downhill should be the main skill. 50% of the race was downhill. 3. Why? My friend, hill has much more impact on the engine than DH, I don't remember exactly the numbers... as mountain is higher than hill... so u have to compare terrains/impact coz I thought that an highDH value can't make so much difference and this adds more variety to the training plans... and at last, mate, u (and others) are often surprised by our (italians) results, but u've to understand that i'm (we) planning my training since first season thinkin about the engine and FA changing... I was prepared for the NE and at now it's paying a lot... but we doesn't know so much about the future but I'm confident... or at least I hope... That goes for me too. Remember that I started 1 season later then you all. I started training sprint already in the old engine and because of that won my division altough others had much better riders. After that I started train TT very early, that was the reason I promoted 2 seasons back, and not Seberla. He then already had the better riders than me. So, I did knew that. I also trained very multifunctional. And, as you saw, I also have minimum 2 downhill specialists (not that you win any races with them )
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Post by Ab Normaal on Dec 27, 2013 16:42:07 GMT 1
Maxz and Punkska: 50 km hill, 104 downhill.
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Post by maxz on Dec 27, 2013 16:43:03 GMT 1
uh.. and finally... congrats seberla... great season
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Post by punkska on Dec 27, 2013 16:44:27 GMT 1
Yes, but after you calculate the terrain weights it's 75 for hill, and 52 for downhill (and 44 for mountain)
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