ecas
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Post by ecas on Mar 16, 2008 11:49:05 GMT 1
Why not change the leagues to shorter and most competitive to everyone this way. Less teams more chance you can get a good result. And change 1.1 to an more interesting name, 1.1 its a sucky name i dont want to promote to 1.1 i want to promote to ELITE league (anakin name idea) more appealing name. And my main idea its something like this. Division ELITE ELITE Division 1 1.1 1.2 Division 2 2.1 2.2 2.3 2.4 Division 3 3.1 3.2 3.3 3.4 3.5 3.6 3.7 3.8 Division 4 4.1 4.2 4.3 4.4 4.5 4.6 4.7 4.8 4.9 4.10 4.11 4.12 4.13 4.14 4.15 4.16 etc etc etc etc etc 16 teams for division Top 3 in each division get promotion Lower 6 in each division get relegation I think with this tree we can get more motivation for the game. Hope you can get the idea Edit : typo
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Post by Rattlehead on Mar 17, 2008 0:04:32 GMT 1
I most of all dislike the 16 teams in a league part. In real life many pro races have about 180 cyclists on the start, in Peloton the max. I've seen was not even 100. When even reducing the number of teams to 16, and let's say 6 would be inactive, how many will you then have ?
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Post by Il Padrino on Mar 17, 2008 16:50:28 GMT 1
I tend to agree. 20 teams seem like a better number.
If there are fewer teams, it is not realistic in terms of participating cyclists. If there are more, it will become harder to promote. These 2 reasons were my original reason for making it 20 teams per division.
What are the opinions on the proposed promotion/relegation amounts?
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Post by gelies on Mar 17, 2008 17:24:25 GMT 1
i believe that with 20 teams, most of the teams don'r have a real challenge. often the teams fighting for promotion are 4-5, relegation takes other 8 teams, what about the other 5- 7 teams? no chance to promote, no risk to relegate....no fun!
16 would be perfect
that's my idea....
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ecas
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Post by ecas on Mar 17, 2008 19:29:50 GMT 1
i believe that with 20 teams, most of the teams don'r have a real challenge. often the teams fighting for promotion are 4-5, relegation takes other 8 teams, what about the other 5- 7 teams? no chance to promote, no risk to relegate....no fun! 16 would be perfect that's my idea.... Thats my idea too, less teams more fun or to not get relegated or to be promoted. And the idea of a league with an name and not a number i think we need to have that.
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Post by anakin on Mar 18, 2008 1:12:59 GMT 1
Let`s loan from the real life ELITE = Pro Team (basically equivalent of team that gets more than one star cyclist and gets consistent results in TDF) 1.1/1.2 = Master Team(usually one or 2 star cyclists not always set to win the Tour but good in something.. usually sprinters and "one stage win per Tour") 2.1... = Pro Tour Team(mediocre team to fill in the gaps .. from the top of my head I can think of "Fracaise de Jeux" or whatever the spelling is) 3.1... = Amateur Team(never invited in big tours and mainly races in classics/obscure races) 4.1... = National Team(the best in one country so we can expect cabbages mainly) 5.1... = Local Team(cabbages and self explanatory)(do we even have 5? I`m lazy so didn`t check) if anything reshuffle these rough names and/or move one down (so Pro Team falls under 1.1 and Master in 2.1) .. suggestions? improvements? [EDIT]The comments in paranthesis are the explanation of what I understand by those names so you can get a better idea of what was intended..feel free to improve
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Post by middels8088 on Mar 22, 2008 13:11:27 GMT 1
Its ok.....
but i agree to the ad......... 20 is better.....
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Post by Quatannens on Mar 22, 2008 17:45:26 GMT 1
i believe that with 20 teams, most of the teams don'r have a real challenge. often the teams fighting for promotion are 4-5, relegation takes other 8 teams, what about the other 5- 7 teams? no chance to promote, no risk to relegate....no fun! 16 would be perfect that's my idea.... Relegation takes 8 teams? There a lot more than 8 teams that have problems with relegation. If you are 10th you are not that far from relegation. In lower divisions mostly 3-4 teams win everything. All the other teams have to look out for relegation. Even if you are on the 6th place it still can happen. I think 20 teams is good.
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Post by gelies on Mar 22, 2008 18:31:47 GMT 1
Belgium has four divison completely full.... all the other nation don't have more than 2! this is a big, huge problem. In second in Italy there aren't more than 8 team per division, and so is in 3rd.
It seems to me that people only look what happens in belgium. If you don't want to see it, ok...but sooner or later players from other nations will quit...I think...
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Post by Heloo on Mar 24, 2008 23:56:44 GMT 1
Belgium has four divison completely full.... all the other nation don't have more than 2! this is a big, huge problem. In second in Italy there aren't more than 8 team per division, and so is in 3rd.. I agree Can't different countries be put together, like a " Scandinavia ", "South - Europe" etc league ? And maybe also a league for all the others .. ? Once a country has 3 full divisions you might consider starting an own league for that country, but right now its really really not good for the morale of new starting teams ...
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Post by Il Padrino on Mar 25, 2008 8:22:26 GMT 1
Ok, I will consider this for the next season.
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Post by middels8088 on Mar 25, 2008 12:25:37 GMT 1
I had just counted the amount of teams........ some countries even have only less than 20!!!!!!!!! so.....I thought of this idea...... those countries that have less than 20 teams to throw to another country........
Hope that will solve the problem......
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Post by Heloo on Mar 25, 2008 14:42:39 GMT 1
Thx for considering IP. Maybe its best to have a short survey in those countries to ask what the top teams of those countries think. But i really cant see the fun in some of those countries, one of the worst examples must be Finland with only 2 active teams .. (result of their last race in TdF: www.peloton-game.net/results.aspx?id=24384&division_id=478)
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Post by boucthesurvivor on Mar 25, 2008 15:06:07 GMT 1
Ok, I will consider this for the next season. Don't touch France, please, we have a strong community in division 1:1 (and some others splitted on lower divisions)...
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Post by Heloo on Mar 25, 2008 15:19:42 GMT 1
France has its 1st and 2nd division completely full so i dont think its very necessairy there. At least a new team cant be starting in 1:1 (like what happend to that danish guy)
Anyway i have been thinking and i have another suggestion:
We already discussed the amount of teams in a league, and i agree with IP that 20 is a very good amount, but 20 active teams then. Since many divisions in lower levels only have 8-10 active teams (some 5 or less), it might be an idea to enlarge those divisions of the lowest level to 25 maybe 30 teams, so that there are at least 10 - 15 active teams? (just an idea, and apply this only on the lowest! level)
Once a new level is added the divisions of the second lowest level (which still consists of 25/30 teams, but isnt the lowest level anymore)can delete(inactive teams) or relegate more teams, but the chance that there are more then 20 active teams is very small, so no 'active' team will be relegated anyway.
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