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TTT
Jun 2, 2008 11:12:33 GMT 1
Post by CableGuy on Jun 2, 2008 11:12:33 GMT 1
The changes are implemented for this season already. I suppose a 'soon' announcement will still be published.
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TTT
Jun 2, 2008 11:46:13 GMT 1
Post by captagon on Jun 2, 2008 11:46:13 GMT 1
Nice to see this finally changed. Don't know why the way TTT's were calculated 3 seasons ago was fine and now it's not. But better late then never eh? would be great to know which changes are implemented though. With only 25 cyclists, cyclist choices have to be made way in advance. It would be a pity if wrong choices are made becouse of late announcements.
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TTT
Jun 2, 2008 23:38:33 GMT 1
Post by droopy on Jun 2, 2008 23:38:33 GMT 1
Nice decision! If the communication about this could be of the same quality everybody would be happy.
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TTT
Jun 6, 2008 9:12:35 GMT 1
Post by eirpeneer on Jun 6, 2008 9:12:35 GMT 1
I think this is e very bad descision.
First: The Giro is in a couple of weeks and many teams have made already their teams. My team is made for the TTT. I never lost it. I think there are 3 big tours. One should be in advantage of the Team Trial specialists. Look at the Giro 2008. Contadador won the giro on the Time Trials so. Rico is a bad Time rider and his team performed bad at the team time trial.
Second: When you implement this rule it should be anounced much earlier! This is the first thing I read about it. It should be anounced at least at the beginning of the season.
Third: I think the designers should not always changes things that forum people them say. Sometimes there's an more "unpopular" desiscion also apropriate. It's like in real life, everyone would agree to discard taxes but it would never work. I think the people who don't have good time riders don't play the game right. To win a tour a cyclist has to be a good Time rider. Be realistic.
So what are the changes and when are they going to be implemented?
A clear communication is needed!
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TTT
Jun 6, 2008 10:19:40 GMT 1
Post by Mike on Jun 6, 2008 10:19:40 GMT 1
It's all in this topic.
Changes: Team trial = average team trial skill from all the cyclists participating in that team trial. Used to be the time from the last cyclist.
If you're team are team trile specialists then you still win this event, nothing changes for you.
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TTT
Jun 6, 2008 10:55:14 GMT 1
Post by NikeBoy on Jun 6, 2008 10:55:14 GMT 1
Third: I think the designers should not always changes things that forum people them say. Sometimes there's an more "unpopular" desiscion also apropriate. It's like in real life, everyone would agree to discard taxes but it would never work. I think the people who don't have good time riders don't play the game right. To win a tour a cyclist has to be a good Time rider. Be realistic. First : we do not change everything people suggest here, trust me, the craziest ideas have been posted here Even more we tend to implement the unpopular things (money decrease, training cap, trainer/scout skilldecrease, ...) Second : The idea to change the TTT was already discussed by the designers long before this idea was posted. In real life it is also not the time of the last rider (9th), but of the 5th rider. so one implementation could have been : take the time of the 3rd cyclist (iso the 5th), but this would be very bad for the teams who specialise on TT because you can enter with 2 bad TT cyclists. So the best solution is the average time of all the cyclists. Third : it's not because you say it's a bad idea, that we should listen to you and not implement it
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TTT
Jun 6, 2008 11:07:03 GMT 1
Post by middels8088 on Jun 6, 2008 11:07:03 GMT 1
I want to say that follow the average time of all cyclist!!! Thats the best solution ever!!!! (:
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TTT
Jun 6, 2008 18:22:25 GMT 1
Post by eirpeneer on Jun 6, 2008 18:22:25 GMT 1
Third: I think the designers should not always changes things that forum people them say. Sometimes there's an more "unpopular" desiscion also apropriate. It's like in real life, everyone would agree to discard taxes but it would never work. I think the people who don't have good time riders don't play the game right. To win a tour a cyclist has to be a good Time rider. Be realistic. First : we do not change everything people suggest here, trust me, the craziest ideas have been posted here Even more we tend to implement the unpopular things (money decrease, training cap, trainer/scout skilldecrease, ...) Second : The idea to change the TTT was already discussed by the designers long before this idea was posted. In real life it is also not the time of the last rider (9th), but of the 5th rider. so one implementation could have been : take the time of the 3rd cyclist (iso the 5th), but this would be very bad for the teams who specialise on TT because you can enter with 2 bad TT cyclists. So the best solution is the average time of all the cyclists. Third : it's not because you say it's a bad idea, that we should listen to you and not implement it ok I agree. But you should put this rule on the Announcements!!
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TTT
Jun 6, 2008 20:04:21 GMT 1
Post by NikeBoy on Jun 6, 2008 20:04:21 GMT 1
I agree, but this is something that only Il Padrino can do ...
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TTT
Jun 7, 2008 1:56:46 GMT 1
Post by droopy on Jun 7, 2008 1:56:46 GMT 1
I agree, but this is something that only Il Padrino can do ... The TTT is next week. I think this anouncement is more important compared to a new web design next season. Some people will be surprised... Don't understand me wrong. I like this change!
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TTT
Jun 7, 2008 2:08:00 GMT 1
Post by droopy on Jun 7, 2008 2:08:00 GMT 1
Third: I think the designers should not always changes things that forum people them say. Sometimes there's an more "unpopular" decision also appropriate. It's like in real life, everyone would agree to discard taxes but it would never work. I think the people who don't have good time riders don't play the game right. To win a tour a cyclist has to be a good Time rider. Be realistic. First : we do not change everything people suggest here, trust me, the craziest ideas have been posted here Even more we tend to implement the unpopular things (money decrease, training cap, trainer/scout skill decrease, ...) Second : The idea to change the TTT was already discussed by the designers long before this idea was posted. In real life it is also not the time of the last rider (9th), but of the 5th rider. so one implementation could have been : take the time of the 3rd cyclist (iso the 5th), but this would be very bad for the teams who specialize on TT because you can enter with 2 bad TT cyclists. So the best solution is the average time of all the cyclists. Third : it's not because you say it's a bad idea, that we should listen to you and not implement it I can understand. The problem is we don't have a clue about the discussions between the designers. I have several examples of suggestions I have made in the beginning of the game that were ignored or rejected. This season all these suggestions are suddenly possible. I like this, but it's not motivating me to give new suggestions...
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TTT
Jun 7, 2008 10:29:11 GMT 1
Post by NikeBoy on Jun 7, 2008 10:29:11 GMT 1
This season all these suggestions are suddenly possible. I like this, but it's not motivating me to give new suggestions... All suggestions are possible There was 1 major change this season : the supportersfeature (which goes together with the racemoney adaptation) This was not a suggestion which we picked up in this forum... Along the way, the TTT was changed, but IP, for some reason, has forgotten to announce it. I hope he will do this very soon. We read every single idea posted here and when some of us think the idea could have some potential, we post it in the technical forum and discuss the possibilities, the advantages, the disadvantages, ... When we come to an agreement, we try to work out the idea in every aspect, after which IP can code it and test it, before it is actually launched on the site. So, since we are not full time designers, it can take some time (read seasons) before an idea gets implemented. Maybe some of your ideas are now getting implemented
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TTT
Jun 7, 2008 11:58:21 GMT 1
Post by droopy on Jun 7, 2008 11:58:21 GMT 1
I know you read and consider everything. thanks! Time is no problem, it's even better it takes some time. if changes are announced in time people will have time to adjust and disadvantages will be reduced.
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TTT
Jun 7, 2008 14:16:41 GMT 1
Post by Il Padrino on Jun 7, 2008 14:16:41 GMT 1
The announcement is on the website (amongst other things).
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