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TTT
Feb 19, 2008 16:55:55 GMT 1
Post by Arda66 on Feb 19, 2008 16:55:55 GMT 1
on peloton wiki I found:
"In team time trials, your team will be given the the time of your SLOWEST cyclist. So no matter how fast your best time trial cyclist will race during a team time trial, he will be given the same time as your worst cyclist selected for that race."
I don't think it's a good way of calculating TTT races, because it's the whole TEAM, not only the fastest or slowest cyclist...
So, I think it should be better if the result is calculated on the average of all your cyclist who participate or simply the 3rd cyclist
yes, I have a very bad TT cyclist in my team for the Giro... but the time he lost when he's in front of my team must be compensated with the other cyclists who are much better in TT...
what do you think?
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TTT
Feb 19, 2008 17:00:13 GMT 1
Post by andrei on Feb 19, 2008 17:00:13 GMT 1
In real the results of the first 4-5-6 riders (uot of 7-8-9) are taken into acccount. So, if the slowest rider is the 5th, it's ok.
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TTT
Feb 19, 2008 17:12:52 GMT 1
Post by Arda66 on Feb 19, 2008 17:12:52 GMT 1
In real the results of the first 4-5-6 riders (uot of 7-8-9) are taken into acccount. So, if the slowest rider is the 5 th, it's ok. I know how it's in real live, but here in peloton all cyclist are calculated apart, and then they all get the slowest time how should you think about it if it's in real live in a TTT like this: all cyclist race alone, and the whole team get the time of the slowest... WHEN IT'S A TTT, ALL CYCLIST RACE TOGETHER THE STRENGHTS AND WEAKNESSES ARE COMPENSATED... example of team X: 1 44m 20s 2 45m 55s 3 46m 40s 4 50m 12s 5 53m 20s this are the results if all cyclists race alone, so all the cyclists will have a time of 53minutes and 20 seconds... when they race together, the team can win some time when the best cyclist is in front of the group...
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TTT
Feb 19, 2008 17:26:48 GMT 1
Post by gelies on Feb 19, 2008 17:26:48 GMT 1
i think you are right.....the team travel at the speed of the slowest one only when he is in front of the group, when he is in the back, he will be pulled by the other which are faster!
so a good solution would be average time for the cyclist!
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TTT
Feb 19, 2008 20:26:34 GMT 1
Post by barcaig on Feb 19, 2008 20:26:34 GMT 1
i think that could be the time of 3 firsts to cross the line
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TTT
Feb 19, 2008 21:17:22 GMT 1
Post by captagon on Feb 19, 2008 21:17:22 GMT 1
same discussion as I started exactly 1 season ago. It didn't change then and i think it won't be changed now. But I agree that something has to be done with regard to team-functioning. Not only in the TTT, but also in normal races.
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TTT
Feb 19, 2008 21:34:59 GMT 1
Post by andrei on Feb 19, 2008 21:34:59 GMT 1
Simply I won both of the Eindoven TTT and i agree the old type..
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TTT
Feb 24, 2008 23:07:53 GMT 1
Post by CableGuy on Feb 24, 2008 23:07:53 GMT 1
I voted for the average as well.
It can be explained as: the less talented ones do only short periods of front work in their team, the more talented team trial specialists take longer periods of front work but will loose more effort. An average value will reflect both tendencies.
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TTT
Feb 26, 2008 16:19:41 GMT 1
Post by Arda66 on Feb 26, 2008 16:19:41 GMT 1
today TTT in Giro, my team ended 5.38 behind the winners.
in my Giro team I have this TT skills: 4 3 1 1 0
so it's a TEAM time trial, not only the badest cyclist...
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TTT
Feb 28, 2008 17:00:31 GMT 1
Post by Heloo on Feb 28, 2008 17:00:31 GMT 1
I voted for 'time of the 3th cyclist' but only because the best option should be between 'time of the 3th' and the average. I would actually choose for the average of your 2nd, 3th and 4th cyclist, because the best wont be able to change much in a TTT, neither will the worst TT'er of your team loose them much time, he will just drop out of the team soon, and finish far behind them (if he's really a lot worse then the others). But maybe this is too complicated, so to make it easier: the average of your team is good for me
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TTT
Feb 28, 2008 20:17:52 GMT 1
Post by Il Padrino on Feb 28, 2008 20:17:52 GMT 1
Ok, I'll make an announcement about this soon.
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TTT
Feb 29, 2008 13:32:26 GMT 1
Post by andrei on Feb 29, 2008 13:32:26 GMT 1
What about the situation when a rider is injured. How is the time calculated?
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TTT
Feb 29, 2008 13:47:17 GMT 1
Post by Schizm on Feb 29, 2008 13:47:17 GMT 1
riders don't get injured during a TTT (or TT). So it would be the same like when you start the TTT with less then 5 cyclists, of course taking an average of 4 instead of 5 could lead to an unwanted advantage, so the "penalty" for starting the TTT with less cyclists should be kept !
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TTT
May 30, 2008 12:59:32 GMT 1
Post by Arda66 on May 30, 2008 12:59:32 GMT 1
Ok, I'll make an announcement about this soon. IP, I didn't read anything about this in one of the announcements. How will it be calculated for next TTT in Giro?
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TTT
May 30, 2008 16:04:12 GMT 1
Post by Mike on May 30, 2008 16:04:12 GMT 1
I hope the changes will be implemented by then. It seems a mutch more fare solution this average calculation.
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