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Post by wolwerine on Apr 13, 2021 18:13:15 GMT 1
Greetings!
Can you help me about the quantification of Future Ability? Does the sum of FA for the four main skills can be 40 still? My team is relatively young, still with skills under 7, and as I can see, the weekly improvement of my cyclists' Transfervalue is in the range of the thousands starting with the actual skill level of the trained one. After skill level 7, it will decrease as I understand. I would like to know, whether there is linear or some sort of exponential correlation between FA and weekly increasement in Transfervalue?
Also, for what age does it worth give training to our cyclists?
Thanks in advance!
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Post by Zberg on Apr 14, 2021 8:46:43 GMT 1
I am not sure whether I fully understand your questions. For that reason a rather random reply:
- All riders with the same age improve similar at all skills until they reach 7. If riders get older, they improve slightly slower. - With a trainer at training skill 18+ for, let's say, flat, young riders will improve flat skill once every 4 to 5 weeks until they reach 7. - The increase in transfervalue is (very) limited if the trained skill is rather low. The increase in transfer value is somewhat exponential, although I am not familiar with the precise formula behind it. In other words, a rider increases considerably more in transfer value if it improves from 9.0 to 9.1 than if it improves from 2.0 to 2.1. - If a rider reaches 7 and then trains at, let's say, flat, you can figure out its flat FA based on its increase in transfer value and, in turn, the number of weeks it needs to get to 8. If a rider has a fantastic FA, it still needs 5 trainings to get to 8. That more or less goes hand in hand with a weekly transfer value increase of approximately 10k (from 7 to 8; from 8 onwards, the transfer value gain per decimal point increase gets higher, see the point mentioned above). If a rider has a lower increase in transfer value from 7 onwards, its FA is worse than fantastic, but still can be everything between horrible (no increase) or good (let's say 7 weeks to get to 8). - Riders do not differ in FA for sprint and TT. They all have an average FA on those both skills.
Those are just some random observations. I probably miss out some important information, so if anyone can add, please feel free!
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Post by naspa on Apr 14, 2021 10:00:51 GMT 1
"Does the sum of FA for the four main skills can be 40 still?"
I am not an expert on this subject. But as I understoo it the same amount of FA is randomly distributed on the Flat, Hill, Mountain and Downhill skills for each rider. So if a rider is doing very bad on flat and hill, you know that most likely he is a good mountain goat.
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Post by Mike on Apr 14, 2021 10:35:27 GMT 1
"Does the sum of FA for the four main skills can be 40 still?" So if a rider is doing very bad on flat and hill, you know that most likely he is a good mountain goat. So if a rider is doing very bad on flat, hill and downhill, you know that he is a good mountain goat.
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Post by naspa on Apr 14, 2021 10:38:52 GMT 1
"Does the sum of FA for the four main skills can be 40 still?" So if a rider is doing very bad on flat and hill, you know that most likely he is a good mountain goat. So if a rider is doing very bad on flat, hill and downhill, you know that he is a good mountain goat. Yes, or there is a mistake in the programming
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Post by Mike on Apr 14, 2021 10:51:48 GMT 1
I know, I only added the word downhill tot make youre tekst right
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Post by ElGringo on Apr 14, 2021 12:21:12 GMT 1
"Does the sum of FA for the four main skills can be 40 still?" I am not an expert on this subject. But as I understoo it the same amount of FA is randomly distributed on the Flat, Hill, Mountain and Downhill skills for each rider. So if a rider is doing very bad on flat and hill, you know that most likely he is a good mountain goat. Yes the sum is 40 of the 4 skills. You could have riders with 2 great FA, for example the 40 points divided could be Flat-19, hill-19 dh-1 and mountain-1, you could make many possibilities
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Post by wolwerine on Apr 14, 2021 18:55:53 GMT 1
I am not sure whether I fully understand your questions. For that reason a rather random reply: - All riders with the same age improve similar at all skills until they reach 7. If riders get older, they improve slightly slower. - With a trainer at training skill 18+ for, let's say, flat, young riders will improve flat skill once every 4 to 5 weeks until they reach 7. - The increase in transfervalue is (very) limited if the trained skill is rather low. The increase in transfer value is somewhat exponential, although I am not familiar with the precise formula behind it. In other words, a rider increases considerably more in transfer value if it improves from 9.0 to 9.1 than if it improves from 2.0 to 2.1. - If a rider reaches 7 and then trains at, let's say, flat, you can figure out its flat FA based on its increase in transfer value and, in turn, the number of weeks it needs to get to 8. If a rider has a fantastic FA, it still needs 5 trainings to get to 8. That more or less goes hand in hand with a weekly transfer value increase of approximately 10k (from 7 to 8; from 8 onwards, the transfer value gain per decimal point increase gets higher, see the point mentioned above). If a rider has a lower increase in transfer value from 7 onwards, its FA is worse than fantastic, but still can be everything between horrible (no increase) or good (let's say 7 weeks to get to 8). - Riders do not differ in FA for sprint and TT. They all have an average FA on those both skills. Those are just some random observations. I probably miss out some important information, so if anyone can add, please feel free! Thank you for the answers, almost everything was answered. And also thanks for the others!
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Post by headcase on Apr 15, 2021 12:44:51 GMT 1
"Does the sum of FA for the four main skills can be 40 still?" I am not an expert on this subject. But as I understoo it the same amount of FA is randomly distributed on the Flat, Hill, Mountain and Downhill skills for each rider. So if a rider is doing very bad on flat and hill, you know that most likely he is a good mountain goat. Yes the sum is 40 of the 4 skills. You could have riders with 2 great FA, for example the 40 points divided could be Flat-19, hill-19 dh-1 and mountain-1, you could make many possibilities Well if the sum of FA's is 40 and all main skill FA's are at least 7 then it can only be:
Skill1 | 19 | Skill2 | 7 | Skill3 | 7 | Skill4 | 7 |
The best achievable for two equally good FA's is:
Skill1
| 13 | Skill2 | 13 | Skill3
| 7 | Skill4
| 7 |
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Post by Zberg on Apr 15, 2021 14:11:14 GMT 1
Does the 40 total FA relate to the maximum values a rider can reach? Did not know that..
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Post by wolwerine on Apr 15, 2021 14:12:23 GMT 1
Yes the sum is 40 of the 4 skills. You could have riders with 2 great FA, for example the 40 points divided could be Flat-19, hill-19 dh-1 and mountain-1, you could make many possibilities Well if the sum of FA's is 40 and all main skill FA's are at least 7 then it can only be:
Skill1 | 19 | Skill2 | 7 | Skill3 | 7 | Skill4 | 7 |
The best achievable for two equally good FA's is:
Skill1
| 13 | Skill2 | 13 | Skill3
| 7 | Skill4
| 7 |
Oh, so minimal FA of terrain skills is at least 7? I haven't met with this info before.
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Post by headcase on Apr 15, 2021 14:36:11 GMT 1
Yes Until 7 there is no limitation because of FA. That is what Zberg meant by "All riders with the same age improve similar at all skills until they reach 7." So even the worst FA in Mountain reaches 7.
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Post by ElGringo on Apr 15, 2021 17:05:06 GMT 1
Isn't that way.
A rider have got 70 points for future hability (FA) - 40 points for flat/hill/mount/dh and 30 points for sprint and TT
since TT and spint are equal they have both 15. So when you have a rider training sprint or TT you know he has got an normal FA since they took about 8 weeks to increase one skill.
Knowing this to have a rider with a great FA, the skill point for the FA need to be better then 15 and reaching a maximum of 20 (perfect rider), Schizm did some years ago a table of teams with perfec riders and also the % of training skills.
All rider train with the same speed in every skill till 7 and this number don't have nothing to do with the FA skills.
So like I said, there are many variations but to have a good rider in one skill he needs to have and FA > 15
When manager have a rider that pops up from 7 to 8 in 4 weeks this means he has got a great FA in that skill, if he takes 5 weeks still have a great FA skill, if he takes 8 weeks then you know that he has 15 FA skill, if he takes > 8 weeks that mean he isn't good for training in that skill.
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Post by Mike on Apr 15, 2021 17:17:42 GMT 1
So like I said, there are many variations but to have a good rider in one skill he needs to have and FA > 15 When manager have a rider that pops up from 7 to 8 in 4 weeks this means he has got a great FA in that skill, if he takes 5 weeks still have a great FA skill, if he takes 8 weeks then you know that he has 15 FA skill, if he takes > 8 weeks that mean he isn't good for training in that skill. level trainer?
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Post by JoeLag on Apr 15, 2021 17:31:45 GMT 1
Well if the sum of FA's is 40 and all main skill FA's are at least 7 then it can only be:
Skill1 | 19 | Skill2 | 7 | Skill3 | 7 | Skill4 | 7 |
The best achievable for two equally good FA's is:
Skill1
| 13 | Skill2 | 13 | Skill3
| 7 | Skill4
| 7 |
Oh, so minimal FA of terrain skills is at least 7? I haven't met with this info before. Really? I don't believe it. The difference between good and poor FA is huge! I guess you mix something up. Until the skill is up to 7 the FA doesn't have any effect at all. So I guess a cyclist could have FA 1/19/10/10/15/15.
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