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Post by rarau on Apr 7, 2013 19:19:28 GMT 1
but if we have bugs? big bugs? is not better to have 6 races per week?
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Post by kurtinsc on Apr 7, 2013 20:53:56 GMT 1
Why would having 6 help in that scenario? If there are bugs, we'd only have extra time if it happened to happen with a sim that was followed by a bye day. I certainly don't want every other day sims.
Perhaps the solution is 6 days a week... with the bye ALWAYS on Sunday. That way, there's still a reason to log in on Sunday (to see stat increases, injuries and such) and if something does happen during the week that forces you to push back all the races a day, you have a day to use for that purpose.
But mid-week bye's suck. And multiple days in a row with byes suck even worse.
But if the developers are cool with all-seven days and are confident it can work... that's what I'd like the best.
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Post by NikeBoy on Apr 7, 2013 21:14:29 GMT 1
The filling up of the new restructered divisions is based on International Ranking.
For division 1:1, the bottom 4 teams will relegate and the 4 top 2 teams in each division 2 will promote to the new division 1:1.
For the other divisions, I propose to remove all bot teams from this ranking, perform in each division the promotion/relegation rules as thet are today, so the promoted teams replace the relegated teams in the international rank, and then start filling up the divisions based on this ranking.
How to fill up the different leagues in 1 division ? For example : division 2 will contain teams 13 to 36. I propose to go from left to right and then from right to left (in a snake figure), so 1 2 4 3 5 6 8 7 9 10 ...
What do you think ?
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Post by Genomico on Apr 7, 2013 21:21:15 GMT 1
Yes, a snake works best.
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Post by stenes on Apr 7, 2013 21:31:55 GMT 1
for me the mix is very good! to change opponents will give new incentives!
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Post by ElGringo on Apr 7, 2013 22:01:03 GMT 1
+1,0000000 We all like to have races the 7 days of the week and that is easy with the profiles made by users Yep, and what I also want to avoid : a whole week of consecutive races of the same tour (f.e. 7 races of the vuelta in a row), because new users have to wait 1 week before they can start in a race ! An absolute "no-go" Yes that would be great Nikeboy here are some suggestions of sponsors for Portuguse teams Sorry I can't resize :S 2 Portuguese jerseys
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Post by kurtinsc on Apr 7, 2013 23:43:01 GMT 1
Just a little clarification question.
For division 3 teams, will it work like this.
1. All teams that have no manager are removed. 2. The 32 teams that finish in the top 2 of division 3 get promoted. 3. Nobody is demoted from division 2 since the leagues didn't have 20 yet anyway (just 12).
Then the 32 promoted division 3 teams will be fit in the 31 available spots for division 3 after the inactives are removed. The best remaining division 3 teams will be in new division 4 (and others in 5).
Is that right?
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Post by chakra on Apr 8, 2013 15:38:53 GMT 1
Why would having 6 help in that scenario? If there are bugs, we'd only have extra time if it happened to happen with a sim that was followed by a bye day. I certainly don't want every other day sims. Perhaps the solution is 6 days a week... with the bye ALWAYS on Sunday. That way, there's still a reason to log in on Sunday (to see stat increases, injuries and such) and if something does happen during the week that forces you to push back all the races a day, you have a day to use for that purpose. But mid-week bye's suck. And multiple days in a row with byes suck even worse. But if the developers are cool with all-seven days and are confident it can work... that's what I'd like the best. Every day races is too much. There are other things in life. Why not keep it as it is. A few resting days in the calender. Why wait with the update on sunday? Why not on Saterday? So in case of injuries tactics and/or subscriptions can be changed on sunday.
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Post by kurtinsc on Apr 8, 2013 19:01:34 GMT 1
Why would having 6 help in that scenario? If there are bugs, we'd only have extra time if it happened to happen with a sim that was followed by a bye day. I certainly don't want every other day sims. Perhaps the solution is 6 days a week... with the bye ALWAYS on Sunday. That way, there's still a reason to log in on Sunday (to see stat increases, injuries and such) and if something does happen during the week that forces you to push back all the races a day, you have a day to use for that purpose. But mid-week bye's suck. And multiple days in a row with byes suck even worse. But if the developers are cool with all-seven days and are confident it can work... that's what I'd like the best. Every day races is too much. There are other things in life. Why not keep it as it is. A few resting days in the calender. Why wait with the update on sunday? Why not on Saterday? So in case of injuries tactics and/or subscriptions can be changed on sunday. Having a sim every day doesn't require you to log in every day. But it does give you some thing new to look at if you DO log in. Heck, I'd prefer MULTIPLE races per day, but that would be a pretty major redesign in terms of game balance to handle that many races. The day of the update doesn't matter. The reason to perhaps just do 6 days of races a week and keep a free day on Sunday is so that if there was an issue, all the races could be pushed back a day but not mess up race planning (because it's all the same order and same week... so no mistakes in gaining fitness). Also, it leaves a reason to log in on Sunday... to see the results of the weekly sim (and perhaps change the training of riders that have increased in level).
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Post by wheelnut on Apr 11, 2013 11:43:36 GMT 1
So as I understand it I am currently 5th in division 4:12. I am ranked 375 in the world so would go down to a new division at level 5 or even 6? This is even though I will not be relegated from my current division (not in bottom 2)?
PS there are 5 bot teams in my current division of 12 teams.
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Post by kurtinsc on Apr 11, 2013 13:36:26 GMT 1
So as I understand it I am currently 5th in division 4:12. I am ranked 375 in the world so would go down to a new division at level 5 or even 6? This is even though I will not be relegated from my current division (not in bottom 2)? PS there are 5 bot teams in my current division of 12 teams. It's a restructuring, not a demotion. I'm going to go from division 3 to division 4 despite finishing 3rd in my division... but the new division 4 will be equal to the current division 3 leagues. I'm relatively sure (but not completely certain) that the sponsor revenues and supporter numbers will be adjusted so there won't be a decrease in revenue either. Think about it this way... if you are currently in division 4... there are 16 division 3 leagues, 4 division 2 leagues and 1 division 1 league ahead of you. In the new division 5... there are 8 division 4, 4 division 3, 2 division 2 and 1 division 1. So 15 divisions ahead of you instead of 21... the new division 5 is ahead of the current division 4. Plus each division is capped at 12 teams instead of 20. It might make people feel better if we called the new divisions "A", "B", and "C" so it's more clear that it's not a demotion.
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Post by Mike on Apr 20, 2013 6:16:56 GMT 1
My position on the international ranking = 107 Does this mean I relegate to Div 4?
The international ranking = linked to the points you have in a Div, right? I'm in position 3 and I have to relegat. Doesn't sound right to me.
In an easy Div I would have a lot more points and wouln't have to relegate, even maybe promote.
So based on International ranking is wrong I think. And I guess a lot op people think the same. No matter what is written hear.
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Post by NikeBoy on Apr 20, 2013 10:35:11 GMT 1
My position on the international ranking = 107 Does this mean I relegate to Div 4? The international ranking = linked to the points you have in a Div, right? I'm in position 3 and I have to relegat. Doesn't sound right to me. In an easy Div I would have a lot more points and wouln't have to relegate, even maybe promote. So based on International ranking is wrong I think. And I guess a lot op people think the same. No matter what is written hear. What is the alternative ? Based on what would you fill up the divisions ?
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Post by gege on Apr 20, 2013 12:19:07 GMT 1
You could use this method. exemple div 3 : suppression of bot -> new div position. after you make a group with each first team of each team, and in this group make a position with international ranking. example :
Pos Teams points Div Old Pos 60 Team Diernaes 11010 9 60 61 gegevert 8721 5 62 de witte merels 7661 4 63 Zapardiel 6427 10 64 Pevides Pro Cycling 6159 16 65 J.M. Jiménez 5918 13 66 EBHfriends 5878 3 67 De Scheefspuiters 5758 1 68 Amnesia 5573 11 69 ChosenOnes 5282 2 70 Panteras Negras 5271 7 71 Patria e Onore 5216 8 72 www.foudevelo.net 5149 6 73 de loze vissertjes 4893 14 74 the zwemmers 4704 12 81 75 The Nikeboys 4324 15 82
With this method, the zwemmers and The Nikeboys win 7 places... I think it was more equitable
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Post by kurtinsc on Apr 20, 2013 12:46:53 GMT 1
gege, that's sort of happening (at least for the top 2 spots).
If I understand it correctly, those who would have promoted replace the teams that would relegate from the higher divisions before the reshuffling (and get their international ranking... which are still higher). Then those numbers are what are used for placing in a division. I'm a high point 3rd division team in 3rd place... but many lower point teams will be put ahead of me due to them finishing 1st or 2nd in their 3rd division.
Also, people need to realize that if they are in division 3 now and end up in division 4, they are NOT RELEGATING. The division structure is changing... just because the number is bigger doesn't mean you got demoted. I don't think there will be less prize money (though this should be confirmed).
They probably should have changed from numbers to letters for the division levels (A, B, C) in order to avoid people thinking they moved down in level when in fact the structure of the levels was what changed.
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