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Post by gelies on May 7, 2012 19:58:47 GMT 1
straight to the point:
should it be possible to exchange cyclists between teams?
I think so.
but next question would be: how should the exchange be done? Can I agree with another manager a price, completely off the average when comparing certain characteristics of the cyclists, in order to be sure of the exchange?
I don't think so.
I think everybody here knows what i am talking about. There are some example of this kind of exchange (and the people involved are quite well known to the peloton community). I don't want to accuse anybody of cheating because i actually don't know the history of the bids and there is no rule avoiding this (except maybe to take the transfers money from the teams), but in my opinion this is not playing fairly.
What do you think? is there any action against such transfers?
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Post by gik on May 7, 2012 20:24:32 GMT 1
i put rider x on the market, i think can to be available for 500.000, we're talking about a fifth of what is the offer of the moment of one raider with overbid on the market, I think it will be difficult to sell, the mood the rider falls, lowers its usefulness in my team for not selling; nstead is working as it is currently a bit going on this bad habit, cyclists are exchanged with each other, and sales shopping safely, I train the plain, coach to 20 in the skill, train my riders to better paying relatively low salary of the coach, my friend trains mountain with the coach at 20, coach's salary rather than sustainable when cyclists arrive at the most that their FA enables the two friends begin to exchanging them with prices well beyond their actual price to keep out other managers in sales, so who will train you will find plain super trained cyclists to train in the mountains his friend and vice versa, thus destroying the game to me I try to play "regular" and do so in a way that defining "irritant" is the lowest ... pardon my bad english
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Post by maxz on May 7, 2012 20:44:18 GMT 1
Imo this is against a free market and really close to cheating
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Post by kurtinsc on May 7, 2012 21:02:16 GMT 1
How about this:
No bidding on a cyclist on the market from a team you sold a cyclist to for 2 weeks or on a cyclist from a team who has bid on one of your transfers.
Could still happen... but the worry that the team that sold the cyclist first can keep the horribly overpiced bid meant to keep others out to buy more reasonably priced cyclists from others would be there. Plus there would be financial implications of not having the money for 2 weeks for the payback.
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Post by rarau on May 7, 2012 21:02:55 GMT 1
straight to the point: 1. should it be possible to exchange cyclists between teams? I think so. 2. I think everybody here knows what i am talking about. There are some example of this kind of exchange (and the people involved are quite well known to the peloton community). I don't want to accuse anybody of cheating because i actually don't know the history of the bids and there is no rule avoiding this (except maybe to take the transfers money from the teams), but in my opinion this is not playing fairly. What do you think? is there any action against such transfers? 1. no 2. i don't know, tell us . If are i think also this is not playing fairly.
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Post by kurtinsc on May 7, 2012 21:05:33 GMT 1
Or another idea:
The Luxury tax.
Instead of 5%, if the bid is more then double the calculated transfer value, the tax is 20%. Might keep the uber-high bids used to do this from happening.
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Post by eboese on May 7, 2012 21:27:32 GMT 1
I assume this is about the transfers done between me and Equipe a Grande Vitesse (judging from the discussion on the Italian forum)?
According to me all 3 riders I bought from him have been bought against normal market prices. All 3 of them were 19 years old, had a mountain skill of 7 and have good secondaries. As a flat trainer these riders are incredible valuable to me. As EGV was one of the first and is one the few teams to put riders like this on the market it is no coincidence I bought them mostly from him. Especially since he markets them well on the Dutch forum as well.
Regarding the last transfer done, Ponzetto for 2.3mln, I will be the first one to say that it was (very) overpriced, something that was according to me mainly triggered by a bidding war between EGV and one of the Italian teams. Of course I can't say what both managers were thinking.
What is amusing by the way is the fact that for a similar rider currently on the market (but 1 year older and 1 mountain point lower) 2.4mln has already been offered (by EGV actually), so maybe he was not even that overpriced after all?
I understand the point our Italian friends are making, but you can't prevent big teams from doing big transfers.
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Post by gik on May 7, 2012 21:42:32 GMT 1
I assume this is about the transfers done between me and Equipe a Grande Vitesse (judging from the discussion on the Italian forum)? According to me all 3 riders I bought from him have been bought against normal market prices. All 3 of them were 19 years old, had a mountain skill of 7 and have good secondaries. As a flat trainer these riders are incredible valuable to me. As EGV was one of the first and is one the few teams to put riders like this on the market it is no coincidence I bought them mostly from him. Especially since he markets them well on the Dutch forum as well. Regarding the last transfer done, Ponzetto for 2.3mln, I will be the first one to say that it was (very) overpriced, something that was according to me mainly triggered by a bidding war between EGV and one of the Italian teams. Of course I can't say what both managers were thinking. What is amusing by the way is the fact that for a similar rider currently on the market (but 1 year older and 1 mountain point lower) 2.4mln has already been offered (by EGV actually), so maybe he was not even that overpriced after all? I understand the point our Italian friends are making, but you can't prevent big teams from doing big transfers. hands in honey ... more raiders are selling and buying for very overprice, i don't think that the raiders that you mentioned were regular, the prices does the market, overbid is overbid, not exclusions, you and other managers fall my regular play in peloton, solutions is scaling overbid at current price of market, as he was for me, self-reported ...
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Post by eboese on May 7, 2012 21:53:49 GMT 1
So what is overpriced according to you? Everything above 1mln? 1.5mln? If so then we will have to reserve a shitload of transfers within Peloton.
If have more than 3mln in the bank you think I am not gonna spend half of it to get the rider my team needs? Of course I will. Espcially when that rider is still very unique at that point in time. And I am quite sure that the riders I bought back then I can already sell for at least 2mln now. Seems like a good investment to me.
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Post by Genomico on May 7, 2012 21:59:06 GMT 1
If this would be really about us, I like to have details of what didn't look fair. Why would 2.3 M be overpriced if 30 minutes later millions and millions of dollars are put in the game by the seasonal awards and money becomes worth a lot less?
The last weeks there haven't been any interesting cyclist on the transfermarket for me and I sold 3 cyclists and won some pricemoney, so I had a lot to spend. If then finally a cyclist, that can be an addition to my team, comes on the market, I want him. So any team could have benefit from this.
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Post by cirao83 on May 7, 2012 21:59:24 GMT 1
In my opinion we should avoid a number of transfers between the same two teams ....
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Post by gik on May 7, 2012 22:00:48 GMT 1
You want to spend so much money because you like a cyclist? ok, I know that you want to have a cyclist that like it, the money spent, however, continues to be overbid and must be sized, so the seller receives a normal compensation, without overbid ...
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Post by Genomico on May 7, 2012 22:11:26 GMT 1
For me the market price of this cyclist www.peloton-game.net/cyclistdetails.aspx?id=6129 is 4 million. If I had the money (which I don't have now, but would have had if I didn't have that last transfer) I would have bid until that price. I guess most people think that would be crazy, but to find a cyclist that is an addition to my team is very rare. I just want to point out that every manager has another value of a certain cyclist.
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Post by gik on May 7, 2012 22:23:22 GMT 1
For me the market price of this cyclist www.peloton-game.net/cyclistdetails.aspx?id=6129 is 4 million. If I had the money (which I don't have now, but would have had if I didn't have that last transfer) I would have bid until that price. I guess most people think that would be crazy, but to find a cyclist that is an addition to my team is very rare. I just want to point out that every manager has another value of a certain cyclist. your price for the ciclyst is 4 milion? you pay 4 milion, for me is very-ultra-stra overbid, i report the sell, ip or other trustworthy person decides if the price is normal or not, should decide which is overbid, resize the sale, i want to see how this will continue this cheat ...
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Post by Genomico on May 7, 2012 22:33:41 GMT 1
It is the 2nd young flat-7 mountain-2 sprint-3 cyclist with superb secondaries that has come on the transfermarket since the start of the game. The first one I also bought and for both cyclists I have put an offer that brought me (or can bring me) to -$100,000. Meaning they are worth every dollar for me.
Don't blame me for offering millions for certain cyclists (blame that I earn too much). If there would be more of such cyclists, prices would have been lower, but these are still very very special.
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