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Post by Schizm on Feb 27, 2012 22:33:15 GMT 1
You have to make choices, I even think more then 10 attacking points is to much, in cycling attacks almost always start in the first hour (app.) and in the last half of the race. But I hope it is not necesseary to put attackpoints before every (mountain)sprint.
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Post by NikeBoy on Feb 27, 2012 23:13:42 GMT 1
Should I add some (mountain) sprints to the 1-day-races or not? No
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Post by lee1950 on Feb 28, 2012 0:01:31 GMT 1
I like the tool!
A few small suggestions, which I think might make calendar planning easier for you and IP down the line:
- Add a field for profile notes. It would be nice if we could give you some short notes about the race:
"The actual course is a bit shorter (~133 km). This profile and the RL race are both hilly with a sharp uphill finish."
- Do you have a preferred Race naming format? i.e.; "365 Univest Grand Prix"
- Do you want to know how many different terrain parts each race has? Should there be a field for that, or does the tool give you a report with that? It shows how many sprint points, KOM sprint points and attack points there are, but not total terrain segments.
Thanks!
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Post by NikeBoy on Feb 28, 2012 7:53:56 GMT 1
There is no preferred naming format, just make it clear which race (or for which tour) it is.
The total amount of each terrain is important, not the total number of parts.
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Post by Schizm on Feb 28, 2012 12:59:46 GMT 1
Just gimme some races : But if you want a list : 28 Tour de Beijing, 32 Scheldeprijs, 37 Paris-Bruxelles, 57 Tour de Wallonie , 73 Kuurne-Brussel-Kuurne, 74 idem (Juniors), 78 Strade Bianche, 140 Ronde van Vlaanderen Juniores, 102 Tro-Bro Léon, 320 Ronde van Limburg I am sure you already got my mailadress. Looks like I am ready with this bunch, so if no one else booked them I like to do the Vuelta (22) and Paris-Nice (2) edit : en gooi er meteen de wereldvermaarde "GP van de stad Geel" (344) ook maar bij
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Post by Il Padrino on Feb 28, 2012 13:06:29 GMT 1
I've already done 8 races. And I'm trying to do the races as realistic as possible (even with the restriction to 5 km as the shortest length for a part). But I have another question: Does it make any sense to add sprints and mountain sprints to the classic races? They usually have lots of them. But as we know this wasn't an issue with Peloton so far. Should I add some (mountain) sprints to the 1-day-races or not?Sprints and mountain sprints in Peloton only matter in tours. So unless you are creating a single day tour, you shouldn't add sprints to 1 day races I'll see about changing the tool so that parts < 5km are possible (but with some limits, so that the race results are still correctly calculated) Race notes sounds nice. But if those are ever added, they won't be part of the race profile but stored in a separate database table, so that translations of the notes in any language can also be created. So it'd be a separate task anyway
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Post by Il Padrino on Feb 28, 2012 13:13:19 GMT 1
You have to make choices, I even think more then 10 attacking points is to much, in cycling attacks almost always start in the first hour (app.) and in the last half of the race. But I hope it is not necesseary to put attackpoints before every (mountain)sprint. I tend to agree (even though Nike wants more attackpoints ). If there are too many attackpoints, chances will be much lower that multiple cyclists attack at the same point. Since you can't see where the other teams plan their attacks, having too many attack points will spread the attacks too thin over the entire race. The more cyclists in an attack, the bigger the chance that the attack will be successful. So I too think a maximum of 10 attackpoints per race should be more than enough.
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Post by NikeBoy on Feb 28, 2012 19:38:51 GMT 1
I'll see about changing the tool so that parts < 5km are possible (but with some limits, so that the race results are still correctly calculated) Indeed Problem when creating smaller parts (< 5km) and combine several smaller parts (skip grouping) : attackpoints on 1 of those parts. Attacks are started at the beginning of a part and evaluated at the end of that part, not somewhere in the middle. So if there is an attackpoint on the last small part of a combined group, the chance of success is totally different than an attack on the first small part. From the profile it is not clear which small parts are grouped together, so as a manager you can't know...
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Post by goof on Feb 28, 2012 20:24:55 GMT 1
Ok, I´d like to do: - 1. Santos Tour Down Under (Worldtour) - 79. Drentse 8 (1.1) - 80. Novilon Eurocup (1.1) - 90. Volta Limburg Classic (1.1) - 125. Tour de Rijke (1.1) - 135. Mooi Friesland (1.1) - 147. Dutch Food Valley Classic (1.1) - 193. Albert Achterhes Ronde van Drenthe (2.1) - 210. Int. Junioren Driedaagse van Axe (2.1 U21) - 284 Ronde van Gelderland (1.2)
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Post by CrazyWaiter on Feb 28, 2012 21:23:17 GMT 1
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Post by Schizm on Feb 28, 2012 21:41:34 GMT 1
I'll see about changing the tool so that parts < 5km are possible (but with some limits, so that the race results are still correctly calculated) Indeed Problem when creating smaller parts (< 5km) and combine several smaller parts (skip grouping) : attackpoints on 1 of those parts. Attacks are started at the beginning of a part and evaluated at the end of that part, not somewhere in the middle. So if there is an attackpoint on the last small part of a combined group, the chance of success is totally different than an attack on the first small part. From the profile it is not clear which small parts are grouped together, so as a manager you can't know... A Small suggestion then to solve this : make a rule that between attackpoints there are atleast 5 kms* ... only thing you need to do then is to perform grouping on small parts at an attackpoint (parts before and after, or in the case ther is no attackpopint in neighboorhood, will be combined until > 5 km). BTW : I think a realistic engine would give bigger differences when there is 1 km at 15% then when there is 5 km at 0 % ! * edit : and 5 km between the last attackpoint and the finishline
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Post by champadero on Feb 28, 2012 23:07:13 GMT 1
I could do: Vuelta Ciclista al Pais Vasco Vuelta a Burgos Trofeo Deia Vuelta a la Comunidad de Madrid And some races for Vuelta a España if necessary Done them, also as there are not many active spanish players, I´ve already done: Clasica Ciclista San Sebastian Trofeo Serra de Tramuntana GP Miguel Indurain Subida al Naranco Volta Ciclista a Catalunya (4 races done) Vuelta a Castilla y Leon (5 races) and 18 different (and realistic) races alongside Spain, at first for the Vuelta, if there were room, if not, invented tours. That tool is simple but addictive ;D
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Post by Bostrol on Feb 29, 2012 7:15:08 GMT 1
very addictive, indeed ;D
when will the tool with attacking points be available?
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Post by Schizm on Feb 29, 2012 7:35:35 GMT 1
and 18 different (and realistic) races alongside Spain, at first for the Vuelta, if there were room, if not, invented tours. That tool is simple but addictive ;D I did not start the Vuelta yet, so they should be used for what they are intented ! I will do Romandie and Pologne instead ! (14 and 19)
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Post by ElGringo on Feb 29, 2012 9:49:35 GMT 1
Nikeboy, you didn't put my name in the Portuguese stages.
I already finish 2 tours and send you by email, " Volta ao Algarve and Grande prémio Joaquim Agostinho", and a classic "Porto-Lisboa".
I will trie to finish today the "Volta a Portugal", then I apply for some other stages or tours.
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