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Post by vincenzo on Sept 22, 2012 21:32:34 GMT 1
Hi, I've had a great race today in Div 4:59, which confirms all the good I think of this engine.
Though, a little question on the engine: I had today 2 riders that succeed to escape and chase during 120-150km the leader that was previously escaped. My 2 cyclists were 2 against 1 for this chase, but did they neither succeed to reach him, nor to get caught by the peloton.
Therefore, I wondered whether there was or not a "bonus" if you have a situation with several cyclists from the same team in the same escaped group. In real life, we could imagine the 2 cyclists relaying each other without holding any effort. (I'm not saying they should have caught the leader, but the situation was quite fun to follow!! :-) )
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Post by NikeBoy on Sept 22, 2012 23:08:43 GMT 1
I have taken a look at your race which was indeed quite exciting to watch First of all, when you are in a group of 2 riders, the influence of TT is a bit less than when the cyclist is all on his own, like Van Barneveld. So, when you have a low TT, being in a group has an advantage. However, the main skills are still very important !! Without revealing anything, I can say that the winner of the day is far from a bad cyclist when it comes down to skills. But, besides the good skills, also the effort is of great importance. You say that 2 cyclist of the same team are "relaying each other without holding any effort", but when I look at the fitness level of these 2 riders, there were definitely not ordered to give all they can ! While your 2 chasers were not given the best they can (effort wise), van Barneveld went 100% !! So, absolutely normal result and a well derserved victory for van Barneveld !!
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Post by vincenzo on Sept 22, 2012 23:17:48 GMT 1
Indeed, I was not trying to say he stole the victory. Actually, the same comment between the peloton and my 2 riders could apply the same way as my 2 riders vs van Barneveld. But I digged into your old messages, and I saw my answer : no bonus for 2 partners riding together in an escape. I understand it does benefit if the riders have low TT. On the contrary, a rider with a high TT could be better on his own than with a teammate... It's good to know.
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veoz
Cycling Tourist Group
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Post by veoz on Sept 23, 2012 0:41:01 GMT 1
Oh a question just came to my mind! I think I already read something about this, but I can't remember... Let's say that 5 riders managed to escape and are ahead of the race. Is it possible that one of these riders escape from that group without attacking, because he is a much better climber or something like that ? By the way, you guys are doing a great job, even if the new race engine is somewhat bugged so far it's totally normal. I think the game is going in a great direction and I hope it managers to get some more managers... All the game needs is some more managers to reach the "tipping point"... hope this happens soon
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Post by NikeBoy on Sept 23, 2012 11:21:38 GMT 1
Oh a question just came to my mind! I think I already read something about this, but I can't remember... Let's say that 5 riders managed to escape and are ahead of the race. Is it possible that one of these riders escape from that group without attacking, because he is a much better climber or something like that ? Yep, it is absolutely possible that a much stronger cyclist will leave his group behind. Remark : this is not possible in the peloton, only in an attacking group or when the cyclist is behind the peloton
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Post by ElGringo on Sept 23, 2012 12:44:59 GMT 1
How many time do you guys need to see all the parts of a stage? part by part?
Today with 29 parts, I am already with 15 min and only goes on part 13 :S
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czukay
U23 Developm. Team
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Post by czukay on Sept 23, 2012 13:08:58 GMT 1
I'd take 29 parts right now - more tortuous refreshing 4:15 league where the sim Is currently stuck to see when it will get down to my lowly league and I can get started........
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Post by ElGringo on Sept 23, 2012 13:27:45 GMT 1
Oh a question just came to my mind! I think I already read something about this, but I can't remember... Let's say that 5 riders managed to escape and are ahead of the race. Is it possible that one of these riders escape from that group without attacking, because he is a much better climber or something like that ? Yep, it is absolutely possible that a much stronger cyclist will leave his group behind. Remark : this is not possible in the peloton, only in an attacking group or when the cyclist is behind the peloton Question when the peloton, 1st group have less riders that for example group 5, does the 1st group is the excape group and 5th group the peloton?
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Post by NikeBoy on Sept 23, 2012 22:15:01 GMT 1
Yep, it is absolutely possible that a much stronger cyclist will leave his group behind. Remark : this is not possible in the peloton, only in an attacking group or when the cyclist is behind the peloton Question when the peloton, 1st group have less riders that for example group 5, does the 1st group is the excape group and 5th group the peloton? The peloton is the group containing the most helpers.
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xmike
U23 Developm. Team
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Post by xmike on Sept 23, 2012 22:47:23 GMT 1
Q: Sub-skills are considered in race calculations ? (e.g. 1.7 in a skill is considered 1.7 in the race, not 1.0)
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Post by lee1950 on Sept 24, 2012 0:15:01 GMT 1
Q: Sub-skills are considered in race calculations ? (e.g. 1.7 in a skill is considered 1.7 in the race, not 1.0) Yes! (I think it even goes to 1.7x) Also - thanks, Nikeboy, for that info about the helpers being the peloton. Interesting to know! (Now I just have to figure out a way to use that information...)
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Post by gelies on Sept 24, 2012 15:48:16 GMT 1
Regarding the helper...if I don't want a cyclist skill to contribute to the peloton speed (maybe because he is very weak). Should I just avoid to give him the tactic helper?
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Post by NikeBoy on Sept 24, 2012 15:52:01 GMT 1
Regarding the helper...if I don't want a cyclist skill to contribute to the peloton speed (maybe because he is very weak). Should I just avoid to give him the tactic helper? Yes, he will have much less influence
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Post by grillo94 on Sept 24, 2012 18:17:23 GMT 1
That's a bit the way it will be implemented now That leads to another improvement made : helpers will stop increasing the pelotonspeed when an attacker of their team has made a succesfull attack. Finally, is it active now?
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Post by NikeBoy on Sept 24, 2012 18:30:04 GMT 1
Unfortunately we did not have the time yet. We try to implement it this week. An announcement will be made.
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