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Post by JoeLag on Apr 15, 2021 17:34:45 GMT 1
Yes Until 7 there is no limitation because of FA. That is what Zberg meant by "All riders with the same age improve similar at all skills until they reach 7." So even the worst FA in Mountain reaches 7. Nah! That phrasing is really misguiding! Any cyclist has a value for FA always. It's just that for skill training the FA isn't taken into account if the skill is < 7. To be 100% exact: As long as a skill is < 7 the FA that is taken into account for training update is always 20 (regardless of the real FA in the skill that always is and never changes).
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Post by JoeLag on Apr 15, 2021 17:38:50 GMT 1
Yes the sum is 40 of the 4 skills. You could have riders with 2 great FA, for example the 40 points divided could be Flat-19, hill-19 dh-1 and mountain-1, you could make many possibilities Well if the sum of FA's is 40 and all main skill FA's are at least 7 then it can only be:
Skill1 | 19 | Skill2 | 7 | Skill3 | 7 | Skill4 | 7 |
The best achievable for two equally good FA's is:
Skill1
| 13 | Skill2 | 13 | Skill3
| 7 | Skill4
| 7 |
And to make my triple post complete: Well if the sum of FA's is 40 and all main skill FA's are at least 7 then it can only be: ... in logic: If A and B then C But assumption B (main skill FA's are at least 7) is wrong. Therefore you don't know anything about statement C. Or to say it in other words: If 3 equals 5 all elephants can fly.
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Post by Mike on Apr 15, 2021 17:43:36 GMT 1
when naming amount of weeks, no one mentions the level of the trainer for that amount of weeks are we talking about a trainer level 15 or a trainer max level 20?
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Post by headcase on Apr 16, 2021 12:44:20 GMT 1
But assumption B (main skill FA's are at least 7) is wrong. Therefore you don't know anything about statement C. Or to say it in other words: If 3 equals 5 all elephants can fly. I was assuming B because all riders go to 7 always without limitation. My assumption was that there was no limitation because FA is at least 7. You are saying that there is an FA (possibly below 7) but that is never taken into account until 7.
Do you have any documentation that supports your statement. Is there a rider with a sum of mainskills above 40? Or at least two mainskills above 13.
I once had a 100 kg rider win a mountainous stage, so maybe elephants can fly
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Post by JoeLag on Apr 16, 2021 17:30:12 GMT 1
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Post by majortinkle on Dec 29, 2022 11:40:47 GMT 1
I remember back in the day you could tell future ability/training speed by the transfer value increase for a training session (although I seem to recall you needed to average a few weeks to get a decent estimate).
You'd have to wait for the primary to be at least 7 now, but can someone confirm it is still the case and the best way to assess it?
How much it can differ week by week? What we should look out for etc.?
Thanks
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Post by pollyjean on Dec 29, 2022 13:14:06 GMT 1
Training from 7 to 8 takes 50 000 transfervalue increase.
So for example if your rider increases 10 000 TV after two trainings it will take 10 weeks to pop to level 8.
With a trainer 15 in that skill everything starting from taking 7 weeks and below is interesting to continue training.
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Post by rarau on Dec 29, 2022 13:34:28 GMT 1
train only with trainer skill 18 or better.
I think, but i m not sure, is some difference if your trainer have 15 or 18
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Post by wheelnut on Dec 30, 2022 0:37:30 GMT 1
To sample the FA therefore you have to all four skills above 7. Could take many seasons not enough time to fully develop the rider in the best FA skill? Plus for a varied amount of riders training various disciplines you need a trainer with multiple skills above 15! Expensive!
There must be a well proven killer tactic or strategy here to solve this conundrum?
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Post by naspa on Dec 30, 2022 17:46:37 GMT 1
Well, you do not need to sample all skills. All riders have the same FA, but it is randomly distributed over the 4 primary terrain skills. (Correct me if I am wrong.) This means that if you tested Fa on 3 skills, you can be sure on the 4th.
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Post by wheelnut on Dec 30, 2022 19:15:24 GMT 1
Well, you do not need to sample all skills. All riders have the same FA, but it is randomly distributed over the 4 primary terrain skills. (Correct me if I am wrong.) This means that if you tested Fa on 3 skills, you can be sure on the 4th. Still diddly especially if you can afford a multi skilled trainer
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Post by Poekie on Dec 30, 2022 22:35:39 GMT 1
This was posted a long time ago, but probably still valid:
7 - 8 50k 8 - 9 70k 9 - 10 90k 10 - 11 125k 11 - 12 170k 12 - 13 240k 13 - 14 350k 14 - 15 475k
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Post by naspa on Dec 31, 2022 11:55:52 GMT 1
no, at least 7 for each terain skill.
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