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Post by Ab Normaal on Feb 27, 2019 9:09:59 GMT 1
Dear Managers,
We realize very well that the 'mood problem' is a huge problem.
In fact, I see it as a potential killer of the game.
The number of hardcore players of Peloton is not that big, everyone sees that and if a few dozen disappear, this could mean the end of the game.
So we take this very, very seriously.
There are a number of possible solutions.
We can make the 'trick' public so that everyone can apply it. The disadvantage is that with this trick you can circumvent several things of the game, besides, the part contract negotiations, something that is an important part of a managers game, then disappears.
Another solution is to completely eliminate the influence of mood. Here too, contract negotiations do not matter anymore.
A third option would be to keep an eye on every rider from now on and to remove every rider who has had a moodupgrade in this 'unauthorized' way from the game and give the manager concerned a final warning and then remove him/her. That makes it fair for the future, but also means that riders who already upgraded mood can continue to ride 'doped'. In other words: the managers who already know the trick will continue to benefit for a while.
An option we are currently working on is to add a formula to the code that compares the mood with the salary, results achieved and bonuses during the Sunday week update of each rider. If this ratio is not in order, the mood is automatically lowered to the correct level. But this is not easy and requires some time and programming skills.
We have asked the creator of the game if he can help us with this.
I do understand angry comments such as Slayer's. He is has a fair point. But heat up one another and shouting murder and fire does not help. In fact, if we all do and stop playing this fantastic game, this means the end of it.
We take this very seriously and try to implement a solution as soon as possible.
My goal of this message is to inform you about the situation and that we do take this extremely serious.
If someone has a better solution, we would of course like to hear that!
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Post by naspa on Feb 27, 2019 13:31:28 GMT 1
I think mood or form should be part of the game, as I think there is a thing as winning mood, or being in form and gaining self confidence. Only the influence now is much too big.
And to be honest about it. I have profitted in the past as upcoming team very much. Beating very good upcoming riders with old throw-away mediocres - robbing the other riders from a chance to built mood.
Somehow it does not seem quite fair to me.
And still after playing some years I do not really get it why and when moods drop and if people speak about tricks, I get a bit the feeling that the game is about acquiring inside information. The game, the iy way works, the techniques and rules should be open and clear - no assymetric information.
I would just suggest tuning the influence down in several seasons to a max 10% uplift, instead of the influence of maybe 25-30%-bigger? now.
And I would like the influence to be on based primarily on the riders or maybe the team-performance.
So, rebuilding or adjusting the contractual negotiation part does seem a good way to go as well.
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Post by pollyjean on Feb 27, 2019 14:04:35 GMT 1
Dear Managers, We realize very well that the 'mood problem' is a huge problem. In fact, I see it as a potential killer of the game. The number of hardcore players of Peloton is not that big, everyone sees that and if a few dozen disappear, this could mean the end of the game. So we take this very, very seriously. Nice to see some kind of communication about the issue. I think almost everyone agrees it is a real problem. And it is not only mood-advantage but also low wages. So there is a double advantage. The disadvantage is that with this trick you can circumvent several things of the game, besides, the part contract negotiations, something that is an important part of a managers game, then disappears. Now everyone wants to know what else in the game can be tricked... I strongly support more clear communication like this and more openess about the game.
I really do believe all of the moderators have good intentions and I want to thank you for all the efforts but I think many players are in the dark about how the game works and what changes are happening... Offcoure the race engine doesn't need to be revealed openly but a lot information can be shared and communicated better? Communication is not an easy issue and many companies in every country struggle with it but still it is very important.
Some examples that could be improvements in my opinion: - Reading the communicating today eases my mind allready for a large part because after a while everyone naturally thinks nothing is being done about the issue. Please keep doing this or some managers might give up.
-Problably many lower division team or unfrequent forum visitors are almost unaware about the upcoming changes with the new engine - Some details about the new engine like the new element of 'form' is still completely unclear to me and to probably 90/95 % of the managers. Why adding another unknown element and not explain clearly how it works?
- The forum has become quite chaotic if you want to find all the official announcements about changes (planned and implemented) such as retiring ages, changes of injuries with fitness trainers... Especially for new teams it will be very difficult to make the puzzle.
I am sure I'm not the only one who is willing to help on this if you guys are short in time. The disadvantage is that with this trick you can circumvent several things of the game, besides, the part contract negotiations, something that is an important part of a managers game, then disappears. I get a bit the feeling that the game is about acquiring inside information. The game the way works, the techniques and rules should be open and clear - no assymetric information. I agree |
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Post by evild on Mar 2, 2019 17:52:59 GMT 1
well... I had my doubts about reacting to this, but I am so fed up with this...
Froment, was sold a few weeks ago. Mood reset, one week later his salary is 500$!!!! higher but his mood rised as well. My question, how?
I am so frustrated/surprised that no one even reacts to this. What do we all think? In flemish we say: don't wake up a sleeping dog. I am still thinking, am I really the only one who noticed this or do other players keep their mouth shut, afraid for negative comments or reactions?
Everybody plays this game the way he wants to, but I feel that I am playing against competitors that are unable to beat. And yes, I don't spend that many hours on peloton as others (sorry, got a family, company, sports), so I am unable to try and figure out a way to find a better mood-wage ratio. But still. In my division, Cavaco from semtex, biggest mountain talent at the moment, nearly 70k wage/week. Is this fair? Obvious mike doesn't know the trick either.
Like polly says, reading this felt quite as a relief, but still doesn't solve the problem.
If I offend people with this then I am really sorry. But this is how I feel at this moment. There are certain elements in this game that need to be redone to keep it fair for everyone.
Thnx for opening this post, Ab. Appreciate this
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Post by wheelnut on Mar 3, 2019 15:33:40 GMT 1
Ok so what’s the mood trick?
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Post by Mike on Mar 6, 2019 16:00:13 GMT 1
Today again not satisfied.
Had to negotiate for a rider (Doucet)
He was delighted but asks to much money.
Today he is mood 'ok' and earns slitley more than before.
This season he won two stages, but with his mood it'll be 0 stages for a few seasons.
Sad and disapointed.
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Post by Mike on Mar 6, 2019 16:02:10 GMT 1
So plz stop talking about this problem and do something.
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Post by punkska on Mar 7, 2019 16:54:04 GMT 1
I'm sure contract renewals have got more difficult recently (past few months or so, compared to what I knew for a few years at least)
I don't know the contract "trick" so just used normal methods...but I think in changing whatever exploit you fixed the "normal" contract renewals got broken too?
Only way I can renew at a similar wage now is reducing the mood loads and well, we know why that's not ideal.
Definitely need a fix in either the contracts or mood influence on race area.
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Post by pollyjean on Mar 16, 2019 12:51:58 GMT 1
So mood will be reduced next season which is very nice to almost everyone, will there be something done about the wages too? And the other tricks?
Or do you have some kind of information of where you are in solving it or a sort of timing?
Or for example setting a minimum wage for each rider like as for example 10% of his TV if this is technically possible? Warning managers not exploiting 'the trick anymore'?
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