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Post by ElGringo on Feb 14, 2019 22:27:57 GMT 1
Best solution will probably be a reset of the week? We consider different situations. Right now the back up isn't an option because the standings aren't in the db so we don't have a back up for that. I tested now in 1 division to clean the results and resimulate but because some info is in the db and other ingame I cannot resimulate the results so back up would mess more the things. If we don't find another solution we will manually give to the riders in question the time of the peloton in stage 2, only possible solution.
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Post by Schizm on Feb 15, 2019 13:31:07 GMT 1
Everything outside 2.1 is "fixed" now, not an ideal solution but the best we could come up with in a short period was adding times of the different cyclists together (and in one case the time of the peloton).
For 2.1 we have 4 cyclists with no "replacement" in stage 2 and no peloton in stage 2 so we still have to decide what time will be added to those involved.
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Post by bosko on Feb 15, 2019 13:53:39 GMT 1
AS 3 out of 4 of them are U25, maybe add the average time of the youngsters? Average of U25 cyclists that race: 06:30:15 Without fastest and slowest 2: 06:30:20 Something around that?
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Post by Schizm on Feb 15, 2019 13:59:56 GMT 1
AS 3 out of 4 of them are U25, maybe add the average time of the youngsters? Average of U25 cyclists that race: 06:30:15 Without fastest and slowest 2: 06:30:20 Something around that? That is a possibility. Thanks for calculating. May I ask your fellow 2.1 managers if they agree (with the first time mentioned) and when not to post a alternative, please ? If a majority is in favour we will do the necesseary (before the next stage of the Portugal Tour is run).
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Post by bosko on Feb 15, 2019 14:28:15 GMT 1
If a majority is in favour we will do the necesseary (before the next stage of the Portugal Tour is run). I've sent a message to everyone ingame.
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Post by pollyjean on Feb 15, 2019 14:42:36 GMT 1
Thanks for the efforts.
I don't mind small errors and I don't have the time to look it all up in detail right now but it seems in 3:2 the result now for example in GC and points jersey is really unrealistic. The guy in top of GC has won stage 3 and his ghost has won stage 2. It seems like he got that time and both results? When I have some more time tonight or tomorrow I will look it up in detail and will try to suggest an honest solution for everyone.
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Post by ElGringo on Feb 15, 2019 14:52:03 GMT 1
If a majority is in favour we will do the necesseary (before the next stage of the Portugal Tour is run). I've sent a message to everyone ingame. Thanks Bosko, for me is ok
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Post by JOOP Cycling Team on Feb 15, 2019 15:08:09 GMT 1
I don't care about it..
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Post by headcase on Feb 15, 2019 15:31:36 GMT 1
Seems ok to me.
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Post by Schizm on Feb 15, 2019 16:13:23 GMT 1
Thanks for the efforts. I don't mind small errors and I don't have the time to look it all up in detail right now but it seems in 3:2 the result now for example in GC and points jersey is really unrealistic. The guy in top of GC has won stage 3 and his ghost has won stage 2. It seems like he got that time and both results? When I have some more time tonight or tomorrow I will look it up in detail and will try to suggest an honest solution for everyone. I adjusted the fitness of the top guy since he went full both times. Still not completely fair but the GC win isn't given away anymore. Not much time left for me today; maybe ElGringo can somehow manage a better compensation for you ...
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Post by evild on Feb 15, 2019 18:39:15 GMT 1
Doesnt matter to me
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Post by pollyjean on Feb 15, 2019 21:57:28 GMT 1
Thanks for the efforts. I don't mind small errors and I don't have the time to look it all up in detail right now but it seems in 3:2 the result now for example in GC and points jersey is really unrealistic. The guy in top of GC has won stage 3 and his ghost has won stage 2. It seems like he got that time and both results? When I have some more time tonight or tomorrow I will look it up in detail and will try to suggest an honest solution for everyone. I adjusted the fitness of the top guy since he went full both times. Still not completely fair but the GC win isn't given away anymore. Not much time left for me today; maybe ElGringo can somehow manage a better compensation for you ... I am sorry but the offered solution does not seem correct at all to me. De Almeida is a competely different rider than Goga. I know both of the riders their skills. De Almeida can never win two races in a row. It seems as a large error to give De Almeida the victory for stage 2 because he is a TT'er, not a mountain rider. Even more De Almeida would never have won stage 3 if he would have gone at 100% in stage 2. As an extra he is never capable to lead in the points jersey. De Almeida with this time would be by far the best GC rider in 3th Division suddenly.
The most logical and fairest seems to place De Almeida in the same position in race 2 as he ended in race 1 which is 14th position. That would give a logical time difference of 17:23 to virtual winner Goga. The exact time difference is not that important because he is not a GC rider anyway. But please don't place him 1st and winning points jersey
I have recalculated every result based on that (see annex). It is not really about my team but about any team with ambition in this tour. Results are not perfect but much closer to the probable truth: Time jersey 1. Cantini with total time 12:22:02 2. Marra at 0:03:03
... 12. De Almeida with a 0:09:45 gap
Correct Point jersey results
1. | Cantini | bolzonis | 24 |
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2. | Goux | Levi's Team | 23 | 3. | Bresou | Berdios Pro Cycling | 18 | 4. | Longo | bolzonis | 15 | 5. | Veyssiere | Berdios Pro Cycling | 13 | 6. | Petry | Levi's Team | 13 | 7. | Marra | DeRodeLantaarn | 11 | 8. | Hoydonckx | pollyjean | 10 | 9. | De Almeida | bolzonis | 10 | 10. | Carriere | bolzonis | 9 | 11. | Knol | pollyjean | 9 | 12. | Renault | Bear | 8 | 13. | Prodrick | St-Etienne cyclo team | 8 | 14. | fransolet |
| 8 | 15. | Pizzichemi | pollyjean | 7 | 16. | Laborde | Levi's Team | 7 | 17. | Celi | DeZweters | 6 | 18. | harel |
| 6 | 19. | Schuilenburg | Mortirolo | 5 | 20. | ricard |
| 5 | 21. | Vosters | Burgos-BH | 3 | 22. | leloup |
| 3 | 23. | kerkhofs |
| 2 | 24. | Jennaert | pollyjean | 1 |
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New Mountain Jersey results 1. | Goux | Levi's Team | 25 |
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2. | Longo | bolzonis | 13 | 3. | Cantini | bolzonis | 10 | 4. | Bresou | Berdios Pro Cycling | 6 | 5. | Veyssiere | Berdios Pro Cycling | 4 | 6. | Carriere | bolzonis | 3 | 7. | Petry | Levi's Team | 2 |
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I don't think anyone can have a problem with this solution if it is practically possible to change Bolzonis still is the lucky team in this case because: - De Almeida won stage 3 in reality probably only because he did not use fitness in stage 2. His fitness should be upgraded to around 60% or so. Doesn't matter too much, he is not a mountain rider anyway - Bolzonis got more money and more points in division classification (which is no problem to me) - Goga still is at 100% fitness and is ready for Vuelta just like Bolzonis wanted him to.
Cheers
PS: calculations in attachment
Attachments:Map1.xlsx (17.98 KB)
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Post by DeRodeLantaarn on Feb 15, 2019 23:07:41 GMT 1
I think Pollyjean is right here. I support his solution.
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Post by JoeLag on Feb 16, 2019 13:50:40 GMT 1
Speaking as a manager of Div 2.1 whose not owning one of those 4 cyclists I can state: I would have no problem if something like 06:27:16 would be considered as time of stage 2. Would be fine for me.
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Post by damiano on Feb 16, 2019 15:14:04 GMT 1
I'm completely agree with Pollyjean. No problem if you wan to remove his win in stage 3.
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