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Post by rarau on Mar 31, 2017 12:25:59 GMT 1
but i dont get it very well. You have 64 cyclists, including lots of youth. I would think you would play and train your youth. But every tour i see you using the fitness tactic on your older/better cyclists. How can you keep your finances clear? Everything you earn goes to their salary You do realise that fidatov and piazza are gone next season? So why not selling them and play with a smaller/cheaper and younger squad? Is possible to win a big tour without fitness, you just need to have an extraordiary top rider like Crispeels Transfer history of Claudius Crispeels Date From To Price 2/15/2017 Luptatorii din Rarau $11.00 2/2/2017 GSc SpartaB $1,210.00 7/11/2013 South Park Cruisers GSc $825,278.00 No fitness around, first tour of Dubai. NO RESULTS BEFORE3/16/2017 VIC Won the time jersey in Dubai Tour. 17 3/16/2017 VIC Won the points jersey in Dubai Tour. 17 3/1/2017 VIC Won Parigi - Tours 2014. 16 2/15/2017 TRA Sold to 16 2/2/2017 TRA Sold to 16 10/21/2016 INJ Injured for 1 weeks (during race). 15 7/30/2014 VIC Won stage Cambridge - London in Tour de France. 9 11/27/2013 INJ Injured for 4 weeks (during race). 7 This post is mostly for Evild Murcia GS 1. Paduart 19 9 12:18:23 [Time jersey] Evcont 2. Brinks 20 15 +2:29 [Points jersey] P&P Runners no fitness around Omloop Het Nieuwsblad 1. van Koulil 0 0 04:53:35 joachim1107 2. Pratte 0 0 same time P&P Runners 3. Maggiore 0 0 same time Hammers 4. Cardei 0 0 same time Luptatorii din Rarau 5. Belluzzo 0 0 same time De Kasseienstoempers 6. Frenay 0 1 same time Luptatorii din Rarau Aimable Pratte (101511) 30 years Joseph van Koulil (13451) 34y Claudio Belluzzo (104143) 29y Yenthe Frenay (76440) 33y Milano - San Remo Results (View absolute times) Nr Cyclist Fl Fa Time Team 1. Garcia Del Rio 0 0 07:04:22 Evcont 2. Pequeno 1 0 00:01:56 Melres United 3. Chague 0 0 00:02:51 P&P Runners all 34y, all without trainer with fitness Lucero win last season 2.1 without fitness.
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Post by joachim1107 on Mar 31, 2017 12:46:49 GMT 1
Happy with my second victory. Again a surprise because Marneth has a very low sprint. But with 8 flat and 5 hill he's a very goog U21.
About the fitness thing. It's a choice you can make as manager. I don't use it and with that I know that yersey's are hard to get. But I more like to train them on a skill in the hope they can overcome the fitness difference
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Post by elite on Apr 1, 2017 5:38:11 GMT 1
Hope to be 0 with finances but low chances & These 2 things do not go very well together; it sounds like: "I hope to feel NO (zero) pain while intentionally hurt myself!" I would suggest to never train 35+ riders unless you have less than 26 cyclists (which is not the case).
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Post by evild on Apr 1, 2017 12:15:45 GMT 1
rarau, see what i mean, elite gets the point. I don't blame you for using fitness training. Like joachim says, it's there to use it, so that's your choice. Nobody has problems with that i think. I was just wondering what your plans are as i was watching the squads in our division. When i noticed you had 64 cyclists i supposed you were training youth. But then suddenly i see you using fitness in murcia and catalunia on your gc riders. So i was like what are his plans? Thats why i am confused. So, are you going for inmediate succes and money with your old riders, or are you going for youth and dont mind the results? Both at the same time don't match very well i guess. But 1 choice can make things a lot more clear for yourself. I've seen posts of you were you tell people that healthy finances are 5mil and above and that you want to be the richest romanian player. Well, then i would start to make some decisions and come up with a decent gameplan if i were you:D
And btw, yes you can win small tours with good riders, but big tours IMO are tour, vuelta and giro. You can never win them without fitness training. Not the way things go at the moment:-)
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Post by joachim1107 on Apr 3, 2017 7:01:06 GMT 1
Week 3 results: Nr | Team | Wins | GC | PJ | MJ | Points | Pt Wk | Wk Rank | Rank diff | 1 | P&P Runners | 6 | 0 | 1 | 3 | 1031 | 306 | 2 | = | 2 | ASA FUN | 1 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 732 | 254 | 4 | +3 | 3 | Luptatorii din Rarau | 1 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 710 | 218 | 5 | +1 | 4 | joachim1107 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 686 | 191 | 6 | -1 | 5 | Evcont | 3 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 654 | 315 | 1 | +1 | 6 | Naspa Achne 26 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 648 | 134 | 9 | -4 | 7 | The Mothers of Invention | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 472 | 170 | 7 | = | 8 | Melres United | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 436 | 146 | 8 | = | 9 | Hammers | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 391 | 269 | 3 | +1 | 10 | WC VroOom | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 343 | 122 | 10 | -1 | 11 | De Kasseienstoempers | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 116 | 37 | 11 | = | 12 | C@isse d'Impasse | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 42 | 0 | 12 | = |
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Post by joachim1107 on Apr 10, 2017 6:41:54 GMT 1
Week 4 results. Went up to 2nd place. Didn't expect that to happen... I think there are some teams who don't want to promote. Nr | Team | Wins | GC | PJ | MJ | Points | Pt Wk | Wk Rank | Rank diff | 1 | P&P Runners | 7 | 1 | 2 | 4 | 1409 | 378 | 1 | = | 2 | joachim1107 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 930 | 244 | 2 | +2 | 3 | Luptatorii din Rarau | 2 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 920 | 210 | 3 | = | 4 | ASA FUN | 1 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 860 | 128 | 7 | -2 | 5 | Evcont | 4 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 810 | 156 | 4 | = | 6 | Naspa Achne 26 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 797 | 149 | 5 | = | 7 | The Mothers of Invention | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 596 | 124 | 8 | = | 8 | Melres United | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 491 | 55 | 11 | = | 9 | Hammers | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 489 | 98 | 9 | = | 10 | WC VroOom | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 480 | 137 | 6 | = | 11 | De Kasseienstoempers | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 197 | 81 | 10 | = | 12 | C@isse d'Impasse | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 42 | 0 | 12 | = |
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Post by Ab Normaal on Apr 10, 2017 7:42:56 GMT 1
Well, we are in a strange phase of the game. First generattion riders are 34 and older. All these riders are sticked to teams and not worth any money any more. So hardly any interesting riders on the market.
What are the teams with olders riders going to do in the next seasons? There riders haven't got any value anymore, so it means no money to invest in new riders, unless they make lots of price money.
P&P is selling al his good riders, so I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't win a lot anymore.
Who wants to promote? In div. 1 Droeftoeters and Tossboom win everything and take all the money. So, it is financially killing to promote.
I am really wondering if teams have a plan or a strategy for the next seasons.
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Post by rarau on Apr 10, 2017 8:52:29 GMT 1
Well, we are in a strange phase of the game. First generattion riders are 34 and older. All these riders are sticked to teams and not worth any money any more. So hardly any interesting riders on the market. What are the teams with olders riders going to do in the next seasons? There riders haven't got any value anymore, so it means no money to invest in new riders, unless they make lots of price money. P&P is selling al his good riders, so I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't win a lot anymore. Who wants to promote? In div. 1 Droeftoeters and Tossboom win everything and take all the money. So, it is financially killing to promote. I am really wondering if teams have a plan or a strategy for the next seasons. P&P sell some of them, i dont think all Negru and P&P i think have positive finances when was on div 1. Everyone with wages (cyclists+staff) under 600.000 $ could live in div 1.1
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Post by ElGringo on Apr 10, 2017 10:43:45 GMT 1
Week 4 results. Went up to 2nd place. Didn't expect that to happen... I think there are some teams who don't want to promote. You are in a good way This season for me till now wasn't nothing special, till now my scout didn't gave me any 18y, every week 19y. Some flats and falls took me points too. Lets see.
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Post by ElGringo on Apr 10, 2017 10:46:51 GMT 1
Well, we are in a strange phase of the game. First generattion riders are 34 and older. All these riders are sticked to teams and not worth any money any more. So hardly any interesting riders on the market. What are the teams with olders riders going to do in the next seasons? There riders haven't got any value anymore, so it means no money to invest in new riders, unless they make lots of price money. P&P is selling al his good riders, so I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't win a lot anymore. Who wants to promote? In div. 1 Droeftoeters and Tossboom win everything and take all the money. So, it is financially killing to promote. I am really wondering if teams have a plan or a strategy for the next seasons. Is a dificult fase in game, or they got a good plan to make a new teams or they will give up.
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Post by rarau on Apr 10, 2017 13:25:35 GMT 1
So hardly any interesting riders on the market.
i think everyone have his strategy.
Maybe some are on div 1 and want to become number 1 => they see that don have chances and are disapointed. What you can do? Train and sell , make 30-40.000.000 $ and then have chances to become CHAMPION or wait to Droeftoeters cyclists to become old.
What you do if Genomico was winning for 15 season div 1.1? Was the same.
I like that Toss fight.
A lot of good cyclists was on tl.
Kamal Guillemant , Lemius and so on, why they didnt sell for 5.000.000 ?
I think Droeftoeters could sell some of his stars for a good price.
I see that some users, because play with youngsters (21-28y) want all people to play like them. But maybe this people waited a lot of season to escape from all big stars or to train their stars.
My example : I want to play and win with my trained stars Parasca and Zeffiretti. Now are some good cyclist on tl too.
For Ab he have some wonderfull cyclists like Timm. Soon Timm will win a lot I think from 32y to 38 so have enough season for points
I dont think, for example, now Timm must win more points then my trained 30-33y cyclists
My example: i have 2 awesome ITT cyclists but now even they have 32-33y they dont win.
a) not cyclists are perfect, if i win all races what all other users do? b) i wait that some older cyclist to left div 2.2
Is a dificult fase in game, or they got a good plan to make a new teams or they will give up.
i dont see any reason to be a difficult fase in the game. All seasons was the same. You all you think only on today games where 1 season last 2-3 days.
This is a manager strategy game for months/years not days.
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Post by evild on Apr 11, 2017 15:32:44 GMT 1
idd, it's a weird moment in the game. Certainly after the retirement option has come into the game. First generation of riders are becoming worthless. The real good ones will stay in the teams to provide money and points. The other ones will be put on the TL, but will barely yield any money.
Who will pay 5mil for a 34year old cyclist? Max 4 seasons and your investment is gone. And gone, is really gone this time. That's 1.250mil/season, without wages. You need a very good cyclist to be sure to cover all that. Certainly in higher divisions. You also need to know that you have to make profit to invest in new young talents
Slowly the 2nd generation is growing and getting stronger. The teams who made the choice to renew their teams will take over in a few seasons. Interesting will be to see how droeftoeters and toss cope with that. And i'm wondering how managers will react in a few seasons when their best cyclists suddenly retire and leave them behind with a financial hangover. No more wins, no more prizemoney, no more fun, lack of interest, bankrupcy and leaving the game? And to be honest, i think the 2nd generation will be even stronger then the first ones since most of the managers now know exactly what and how to train. No more loss of training... There will be beasts:-)
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Post by negru on Apr 11, 2017 19:45:16 GMT 1
For sure these are interesting times in the game, but i feel it is spoiled by the fact that there are so few players still in the game. It doesn't really affect me at the moment, but it's the same gang of people paying, and at some point everybody gets tired, bored whatever. I have no plan at the moment, and Rarau, last season i've been on a small minus. Also because i did not really play and did not have any strategy, but anyway it was a minus. This season i'm a little bit on plus every week, but nothing extraordinary, just keeping my finances safe and taking care not to loose money. Regarding the strategy for the 2nd generation, it's really hard to tell. I'm just drifting, no real plan, and i'm more into finding the next flat star, which doesn't look to happen . It seems Puscasu was one of a kind. I'm curious about Brembilla after he'll finish his TT training, but given his weight, height, he'll never be Puscasu. I'm more disturbed that without putting too much effort, i am at 30 points from 2nd place. This means i should sell some older riders, not caring about the price, but not to pay their wages anymore. And it's probably what i will do pretty soon. Hard without a real strategy, as always my team is good enough for 2nd division, not good at all for the 1st. So i prefer staying here and having some fun with winning races and not making too many points. About the 2nd generation riders, i don't believe they will be stronger than 1st. They are not as many, and because of this there is not as much talent as it was before, managers (like me) might be very picky with what riders to keep or not and there are not so many team training them because of money. Also, as Ab is doing, demotion is needed in order to increase morale, which only now looks to be way too important. So i don't think there will be so many second generation riders to be great.
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Post by ElGringo on Apr 14, 2017 11:45:19 GMT 1
I hope I get my 3rd win today and the 4th in the U21 race Tirlea 1st, Andreoli 2nd, Tourneaux 3dr and Martyn 4th ?
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Post by Ab Normaal on Apr 14, 2017 12:13:49 GMT 1
Tirlea 1st, Andreoli 2nd, Tourneaux 3dr and Martyn 4th ? You should start betting tonight
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