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Post by rarau on Feb 18, 2017 13:12:23 GMT 1
For schizm 10% of the scouts steering/balance skill , technically now a 10 B/S scout generates a random number between 0.00 and 10.00 with a minimal change that could be changed to between 1.00 and 10.00 (or 1.00 points could be added afterward for the same result (but the maximum of 10.00 would still apply)). For a 15 B/S scout that would be between 1.5 and 15.0
I was considering 20% first but then a 20 B/S scout would almost never produce a bad B/S cyclist.1. for FA i make another topic because is extremly important. 2. I dont understand very good your post so example if you have a 10-20-10 scout then you will have only cyclist with bravery and balance at least 2 ?!? If yes you think a cyclist is (very good) good with for example steering 5 balance 3 ?!? My perception is different I cannot give some oppinions about my perception. I dont see too much difference if you change this.
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Post by Schizm on Feb 18, 2017 13:28:48 GMT 1
For schizm so example if you have a 10-20-10 scout then you will have only cyclist with bravery and balance at least 2 ?!? Correct ! If yes you think a cyclist is (very good) good with for example steering 5 balance 3 ?!? No I think it is adequate (not for a GC rider ofcourse). for me under 2 is very bad, avoidable even, especially on balance from 5 on is decent for classics and stages for GC you should be atleast close to a 10. Higher is ofcourse always better.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2017 14:15:06 GMT 1
Tubara said : This isn't true, if you have a good cyclist to sell, the market always will pay good money for him. YYoung cyclists recently discovered are rarely good.
But you need to have in consideration that the young cyclists in most cases have low "fa" and low capability to improve in principal primary skills (Mountain, Hill, Plane) from seven to up.
and when they prove to be good cyclist, maybe sell if you need extra money or not selling.why young cyclists are not good?? how you know that young cyclists have low FA?? All population (of cyclists) have the same chances to have or not good FA You search all cyclists on all 3 skills? flat, hill, mountain ?!? Scout is only for CA it doesnt tell you anything about FA and the other 2 skills of scout are unrelated with FA perception -> how often scout find a cyclist steering / balance how good couuld be this 2 And by the way can you see now on tl a very good cyclist with low skills in my oppinion but with very good results? I cannot said his name i dont want to influence the market. I have to assume that I was wrong about the FA. Against facts there are no arguments. Thanks for the clarification. But I do not take back anything I said about other things.
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Post by heppie on Feb 19, 2017 16:57:48 GMT 1
I have my current youth scout since the end of season 9, so roughly 7 seasons now. Before that, I also had a scout for I guess a bit more than a season. So I've had a youth scout for around half of the time I'm playing peloton. To start with I will share some statistics of my second youth scout (I don't have it from my first scout). Most of the time his stats were 0-15-10, only the last weeks I'm rising current ability and perception. In total I did pull 116 times with my scout and found 67 times a cyclist. This is above the expected 58.75 cyclist (or if you prefer 57,7% vs 50,6%). Further 38 of those 67 were 18 years, so 56,7%. This is also above expected but still within a reasonable margin. Average steering and balance of my pulls is 6.39 and 7.31, also close to expected. Let's combine those results. Suppose I call a cyclist a reasonable pull if he is 18 and has both steering and balance 5 or higher. In total I found 18 cyclist meeting those requirements. So out of 116 only 18 (that's 15%) are reasonable. By the way, this is close to the theoretical expect value (assuming independence between age, steering and balance) of 11% with a steering/balance 15 and perception 10 scout. Note that in this definition of reasonable scout I left out some important factors like the week in the season the cyclist is pulled and length/weight vs initial skill distribution etc. Like for bam and rarau the reason for me to have a scout is that I can select the best pulls for my own team. Such pulls are not or only rarely available on market and are therefore sold at high prices. I think the price for a 0-15-10 scout is reasonable (else I won't take such a scout for like 7 seasons). Further, I agree with bam and Schizm that the quality of the pulls may be a bit higher, such that the probability of a reasonable pull goes up. In my opinion this can be done by either setting a minimum level of steering/balance of the found pulls (depending on the steering/balance skill of the youth scout) or by changing the probability distribution such that it is more likely to find cyclists with higher steering/balance.
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Post by crosljam on Feb 23, 2017 22:14:59 GMT 1
I play the game differently to a lot of people in that I try to run it as I might a cycling team in the real world.
The bottom line is that means balancing the books, whilst trying to compete at the highest level I can
I'm happy with my 18 skill trainer costing 100k a week, and my youth scout (2-2-2 costing a whopping 3k) is my lottery ticket - if I get something out of him great - I've had 2 pulls this season, if I'd have sold them straight away I probably would have broken even over the year on youth scout costs, but for the moment I'm training them up - especially one who was 18 and had 2 leadership - he's my leader of the future!
Right now I'm just about safe in div 2 for another season - and I'm going to make roughly a 2mil profit on the year. My older cyclists are getting older - but my 2 leaders going forward are 18 & 19 and just starting getting towards making me competitive in more races.
So are youth scouts too expensive - probably yes, but over time they will become more cost effective. I don't know what the age profile is across the whole of peloton, with the declining number of active teams we're probably just about holding off mass skill dropping off 35+ riders with enough early 30s to spread round teams but over the next 2-3 seasons I think younger riders with potential are going to become more and more valuable.
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