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Post by Mike on Mar 27, 2016 17:29:42 GMT 1
SeMTeX will drop every week.. selling team and drafted a jouthcoach
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Post by bosko on Mar 30, 2016 11:22:51 GMT 1
You're going to sell your whole team? Last season you were thinking about going to div3 to increase your finances and the mood of your cyclists. I guess you have a plan for the longer term now. Apparently other players do the same. I think your team was perfect capable of fighting for position 3-5 in division 2 and therefore your relegation will be a loss for our division without a doubt.
I have to make a big decision too in the near future. Last week I had a very good week (264 points). Yet my finances for the week was -200.000 (income about 1.000.000; costs about 1.200.000). I surely will have to sell some cyclists. Maybe hire a new trainer? I'm not sure yet...
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Post by rarau on Mar 30, 2016 13:20:33 GMT 1
You're going to sell your whole team? Last season you were thinking about going to div3 to increase your finances and the mood of your cyclists. I guess you have a plan for the longer term now. Apparently other players do the same. I think your team was perfect capable of fighting for position 3-5 in division 2 and therefore your relegation will be a loss for our division without a doubt. I have to make a big decision too in the near future. Last week I had a very good week (264 points). Yet my finances for the week was -200.000 (income about 1.000.000; costs about 1.200.000). I surely will have to sell some cyclists. Maybe hire a new trainer? I'm not sure yet... maybe wages too high? Lorenzo Fabbro 35y 40.000 Yannis Dolhen 37y 33.600 Nolann Roosenboom 36y 24.200 Sauro Lencioni 34y 20.000 etc
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Post by Mike on Mar 30, 2016 14:04:07 GMT 1
Hi,
I'm not sure I will be selling all of the team. Just playing the game as a manager at the moment. I have 11 cyclists of ages 31 and 32. And I was thinking of selling 7 or 8 of them. But I would buy others between age 22 - 28. In the end it is my goal to have sort of all ages with the goal to have a constant team where older guy's get sold or go on pension but allways making sure the team does not get behind and keep the ages equally diversified. Youngster team of 5 between 18-20y but only keeping 1 or 2 each season to stay in the team.
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Post by Ab Normaal on Mar 30, 2016 15:49:31 GMT 1
You're going to sell your whole team? Last season you were thinking about going to div3 to increase your finances and the mood of your cyclists. I guess you have a plan for the longer term now. Apparently other players do the same. I think your team was perfect capable of fighting for position 3-5 in division 2 and therefore your relegation will be a loss for our division without a doubt. I have to make a big decision too in the near future. Last week I had a very good week (264 points). Yet my finances for the week was -200.000 (income about 1.000.000; costs about 1.200.000). I surely will have to sell some cyclists. Maybe hire a new trainer? I'm not sure yet... maybe wages too high? Lorenzo Fabbro 35y 40.000 Yannis Dolhen 37y 33.600 Nolann Roosenboom 36y 24.200 Sauro Lencioni 34y 20.000 etc And 10 riders too many. You should sell at least 10 riders. And if you are not training a certain skill and you are not goinig to in the near future I would decrease your trainer in that skill to 13. Saves you about 18k per week. Part from that, there is nothing wrong with your trainer.
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Post by bosko on Mar 31, 2016 7:20:49 GMT 1
Last season, I wasn't happy with the results of my cyclists, compared to their skills. I had the feeling part of it was because of their mood: they all were just "content". I gave them new contracts to get them happy, hoping they would get better results and with better results get to very happy and delighted. Off course, that came with a price... Incredible how much they were asking for. I'm going to wait another few weeks and sell the ones who are not earning enough compared to their new wage.
In the near future, I'm going to sell some younger cyclists. I have 19 cyclists with age 26 or lower. Of course they don't earn that much, so it won't make a big difference.
I was going for a trainer with 15 on every skill. I do train on every skill for the moment (apart of downhill, because that skill isn't high enough yet). I'm indeed in doubt if it would'nt be more profitable to fire the trainer and get a new trainer with only 1 skill (and train that to 20). For the moment the multiskill trainer is still in favour.
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Post by rarau on Mar 31, 2016 9:28:29 GMT 1
Last season, I wasn't happy with the results of my cyclists, compared to their skills. I had the feeling part of it was because of their mood: they all were just "content". I gave them new contracts to get them happy, hoping they would get better results and with better results get to very happy and delighted. Off course, that came with a price... Incredible how much they were asking for. I'm going to wait another few weeks and sell the ones who are not earning enough compared to their new wage. In the near future, I'm going to sell some younger cyclists. I have 19 cyclists with age 26 or lower. Of course they don't earn that much, so it won't make a big difference. I was going for a trainer with 15 on every skill. I do train on every skill for the moment (apart of downhill, because that skill isn't high enough yet). I'm indeed in doubt if it would'nt be more profitable to fire the trainer and get a new trainer with only 1 skill (and train that to 20). For the moment the multiskill trainer is still in favour. mood => by results in division 3, you cannot give mood to all, only to 5-7 cyclists and with some more attention when you renegociate a contract you could have better mood, not delighted but a better mood. Lorenzo Fabbro 35y 40.000 i dont think he have TV better then 3.000.000 probably he have 1.8-2.200.000 TV
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Post by bosko on Mar 31, 2016 10:19:52 GMT 1
Last season, I wasn't happy with the results of my cyclists, compared to their skills. I had the feeling part of it was because of their mood: they all were just "content". I gave them new contracts to get them happy, hoping they would get better results and with better results get to very happy and delighted. Off course, that came with a price... Incredible how much they were asking for. I'm going to wait another few weeks and sell the ones who are not earning enough compared to their new wage. In the near future, I'm going to sell some younger cyclists. I have 19 cyclists with age 26 or lower. Of course they don't earn that much, so it won't make a big difference. I was going for a trainer with 15 on every skill. I do train on every skill for the moment (apart of downhill, because that skill isn't high enough yet). I'm indeed in doubt if it would'nt be more profitable to fire the trainer and get a new trainer with only 1 skill (and train that to 20). For the moment the multiskill trainer is still in favour. mood => by results in division 3, you cannot give mood to all, only to 5-7 cyclists and with some more attention when you renegociate a contract you could have better mood, not delighted but a better mood. Lorenzo Fabbro 35y 40.000 i dont think he have TV better then 3.000.000 probably he have 1.8-2.200.000 TV The problem is I had another tactic in the lower divisions. I had a lot of cyclists (more than 60 at some point), so every race I could ride with multiple riders at 100%. Also, I was more a fan of allrounders (7 on every skill), they get very good results in many races, but aren't the real winners. Financially, it worked great. The downside was that the points I gathered, were divided over a lot of cyclists so there were few cyclists with an improved mood. Back than I didn't know it was that important. Call me stuburn, but going back to div 3 just to improve the mood isn't an option for me. The past weeks, I got 8 riders happy by improving contracts. I can imagine my total wage amount rised with 100.000 by doing this. In a couple of weeks, I will see who was worth the improvement and sell the ones that aren't delivering enough compared to their wage. PS: The TV of Fabbro is about 2.4 mil. Personally, I don't care much about that number. It only says if a rider is very good in a certain skill.
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Post by Ab Normaal on Mar 31, 2016 11:43:26 GMT 1
Bosko, keep your trainer the way it is. Sell at least 10 riders. Check the riders with an expiring contract in a few weeks. You can make a calculation of their new salary. If they are not worth it, sell them.
Then, with 30 riders and your trainer, ride races as you like. And then, if you don't loose money, think about your strategy for the future. Don't be to drastic with your decisions at this moment.
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Post by bosko on Mar 31, 2016 14:28:24 GMT 1
Bosko, keep your trainer the way it is. Sell at least 10 riders. Check the riders with an expiring contract in a few weeks. You can make a calculation of their new salary. If they are not worth it, sell them. Then, with 30 riders and your trainer, ride races as you like. And then, if you don't loose money, think about your strategy for the future. Don't be to drastic with your decisions at this moment. What do you mean with "you can make a calculation of their new salary"? Is there a known formula to do this? I just read the wiki page about contracts and Also now I read in the Wiki that cyclists don't like contracts longer than a year. Does this mean you best make contracts for less than 16 weeks (a season), or do they mean 52 weeks (a year)? Also I found out why I couldn't promise bonusses for jerseys etc for some riders. Apparently, they hadn't scored enough points in the past. Withou bonusses, they want a higher wage off course.
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Post by Ab Normaal on Mar 31, 2016 14:55:06 GMT 1
No, there is no formula, but if you have extended contracts, you know the increase in % you normally give to cyclists. I Always go for 75 weeks contract, unless you are dealing with oldies. Depends a little on your future plan with this rider.
I don't know if there are managers here who tried long contracts and short contracts and can say what works out best in the long run.
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Post by negru on Mar 31, 2016 21:38:42 GMT 1
I also go for 75 weeks contracts. Initially i was going for two seasons contracts, but its not workable this way, or at least not for me, i think the wages increase faster this way. I recognise i got to the point, in order to lower the wages, to get some cyclist free and resign contracts, of course, with the loss of mood which goes with this.
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Post by rarau on Apr 1, 2016 8:29:06 GMT 1
Bosko, keep your trainer the way it is. Sell at least 10 riders. Check the riders with an expiring contract in a few weeks. You can make a calculation of their new salary. If they are not worth it, sell them. Then, with 30 riders and your trainer, ride races as you like. And then, if you don't loose money, think about your strategy for the future. Don't be to drastic with your decisions at this moment. What do you mean with "you can make a calculation of their new salary"? Is there a known formula to do this? I just read the wiki page about contracts and Also now I read in the Wiki that cyclists don't like contracts longer than a year. Does this mean you best make contracts for less than 16 weeks (a season), or do they mean 52 weeks (a year)? Also I found out why I couldn't promise bonusses for jerseys etc for some riders. Apparently, they hadn't scored enough points in the past. Withou bonusses, they want a higher wage off course. i think is a formula like this if your cyclist have 2.000.000 TV and you want to renegociate his wage, his wage will not be lower then 18-20.000 so TV/100 for this i ask you his TV From this point of view maybe is better to have 7 in all skills and have lower wage 717488 TV 800.000 729328 TV 800.000 867659 TV 1.029.000 567545 TV 600.000
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Post by bosko on Apr 1, 2016 11:21:26 GMT 1
I think bam knows the contractsecret. He has 3 cyclists in the current top 10 and when you see their wage... About VUELTA CICLISTA A PAIS VASCO: I expect Garcia from Forza17 today. Personal goal: top 3 with Paul in General standings.
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Post by bam on Apr 2, 2016 9:06:54 GMT 1
I think bam knows the contractsecret. He has 3 cyclists in the current top 10 and when you see their wage... About VUELTA CICLISTA A PAIS VASCO: I expect Garcia from Forza17 today. Personal goal: top 3 with Paul in General standings. I think I indeed found a good way of renewing contracts, but I won't share that completely (I'm sorry, but it's an important part of the game, and probably the only part on which I have a real advantage). However, the very low wages, like the one of Lourme, are only possible because I have those cyclists very long (from season 5 in his case, my first season). For cyclists you buy, the wage will always be (very roughly) around 1% of the transfervalue. However, when you renew contracts, I think you should try to offer some guaranteed races and win bonusses as well instead of being too generous in the wage offers (also don't overdo the win bonusses of course, you don't want to pay the full premium of a jersey to your cyclist ). As you can see with my cyclists, you don't need to offer them 1% of the transfervalue as new wage, they can do with less.
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