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Post by wheelnut on Apr 9, 2015 13:00:32 GMT 1
I love Peloton...one drawback however is better teams with better cyclists can easily dominate races and therefore snaffle all the money almost bankrupting lower teams in the division. I am not talking about bottom half, in mine I am currently 4th and I am struggling to make ends meet!
Two top teams dominate with the next (3rd) picking up most other minor places in all races and tours.
i want to break that trend just so I can carry on without losing money and/or having to leave the game (bankruptcy).
I watched the latest race which was stage 1 of a 3 stage mini tour. I do not normally have the patience to watch the race unfold on the viewer (seriously this needs to be sorted!) however I did this time and noted very early attacks from two big riders (from each of the top teams). I would not normally attack until just before mountain or sprint points. This caught me out because these early attacks succeeded (high TT skill?) robbing me of any mountain or sprint points later in the stage. I ended this stage with my best rider 8 mins down in 9th with no points and no chance to do anything in the last two stages; stuffed already!
Do I try to win a one off stage? Try to scramble for a few minor climbing or sprint points? Just save fitness and finish the tour in the pack?
I find myself in this scenario quite often not really knowing what to do for the best?
please help?
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Post by Schizm on Apr 9, 2015 13:17:18 GMT 1
with the engine at its current state, most of the time the only chance of succes is when you attack at the first attackpoint. Ofcourse you need TT to make that attack last and sprint to get away.
My advice to you is to amke sure you got some cyclist in your team who combine app. 7 sprint/ 7 TT with a higher number on atleast one of the other skills. try to have atleast one for the three main terrainskills and after that try a few that combine more skills.
Secondly try to find weaknesses in your opponents teams , and focus on that (in other words adapt your tactics to what your guys are stronger at).
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Post by wheelnut on Apr 9, 2015 14:16:14 GMT 1
Thanks Schizm...
I am training my own cyclists and just got my trainer up to 15 in TT so it will be a while before my cyclists have TT 7+ Best I can boast is about 4 but most 0 to 2 only.
In the meantime is it best to use GC orders or go for final sprint? I have several cyclists who reached 7 or 8 in spring before switching my training. I have others on 7 or 8 mountain and/or 7 or 8 on hill.
i could just compete in the flat single races which I can use my final sprinter option, is this a good tactic?
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Post by ElGringo on Apr 9, 2015 15:03:24 GMT 1
I am considering for next season to make some stages with only late attack points, this way is a different option for managers to deal.
About tactics, only good teams with high level of TT in the riders can catch the earlier riders attacks, or if the terrain changes related to the better skills of the espave riders and a late attack can catch the attack riders and pass them.
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Post by rarau on Apr 9, 2015 16:05:23 GMT 1
i want to break that trend just so I can carry on without losing money and/or having to leave the game (bankruptcy).
You could tell us your team. It's difficult to give good advices without knowing your team.
like Schizm told you Because the prices for cyclist are very low it isn't very profitable to have a youthscout.
So
generaly advices for beginning :
-scout only if you have good money on bank, if you have a scout i hope is max 10-10-10, better one is too much on my opionion -have a trainer with 1 or 2 skill 15. I train with my trainer with 15 and i'm on 2.1 For me is not a big differece between 15 and 18 especially from 0 to 7
Keep 25 or max 28 cyclists (the other 2-3 to be a captain or 1-2 juniors not trained) dont buy expensive cyclists.
If you train young cyclists you could sell them at 20-24 years with good prices (if they are good without injuries)
If you have cyclists with huge wage sell them if they dont give you too much points.
In Italy and the other 2 big tours are 10 races. 2-3 teams even are extremly good they cannot win all races. Attack in one race with 100% not with 75% If you see in 3 days tours that first 3 teams dont have juniors put juniors in race and you could win 20-30p
Final sprint tactics is good ONLY on sprint races. In normal races you will win only if you atttack
General standings is good especially on big 3 tours.
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Post by Poekie on Apr 9, 2015 21:29:48 GMT 1
I see that you are in my division (and I don't want to be beaten by you of course), but I wonder if you are using a spreadsheet or something to select your cyclists? It would be best to have all cyclists at 100% at the beginning of the race, and at 40/60/80 fitness at the end of the week (depending on when you plan to use them again).
Also in general it's best to compete all races: cyclists gain experience with every race, and experience gives a bonus.
One thing:
I think this is the most fun part of Peloton! Not quite like watching a real race, but still.
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Post by wheelnut on Apr 10, 2015 8:59:45 GMT 1
Thanks for all the advice...
El Gringo - interesting tactic with late attacks, my TT skills are terrible so might be the only or best option.
Rarau - my team details below... Polhill Racing CC (7040) Division: 4.1
To answer questions, I have 25 cyclists, I sacked my youth scout recently, I have a trainer with two skills at 15 (TT and hills). Interesting on youth scout levels and is useful for me when I get one back in the future.
I do use youths as you suggest but currently only have 3 out of the 25. You have given me an idea regarding training youths and selling at 24 as you suggest not cheap to have a scout so need to get money back somehow! In the past I have attacked on long tours on stages I thought I can win and as you suggest has worked on occasions.
Thanks for the GC suggestion on tours...I think might be good tactic with lack of TT which seems to be needed for successful attacks.
Poeke - I see you are 2nd in my division so will be careful what I say lol. You have nothing to worry about from me winning at the present!
When you use the viewer what setting do you have it on? Do you watch it live or after the race at x6, x24? Probably more exciting when you are in the race like your cyclists seem to be!
BTW I do use a spreadsheet from my riders and have 5 x 5 teams to ensure fitness levels are correct for race day.
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Post by Poekie on Apr 10, 2015 9:59:06 GMT 1
I do it at x24 (multitasking and/or using 'next part'). I'm not that patient
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Post by wheelnut on Apr 10, 2015 12:46:00 GMT 1
yes x24 is the way to go...as you say go away put the kettle on etc :-)
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Post by Ab Normaal on Apr 10, 2015 13:07:08 GMT 1
Buy some older cyclists. They are cheap and will bring you fast results and therefore money, so you can keep training your younger cyclists. Don't put your best riders up in big tours. Your competitors will do that too and then you will loose because their best riders are obviously better than yours. Put your best cyclists in smaller tours around the big tours. Renew the contracts of your older riders with only a short period. Then their salary demand is acceptable. If you accept it, their mood will improve, which is very important.
But Schizm's advide is the most important. You can only win if you attack at the first point. There the big gap is made.
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Post by Mike on Apr 11, 2015 20:25:33 GMT 1
It's something a lot of managers tell me: There is not enough sponsoring money in the game. It's ok for managers who play the game a while and win enough races, but most of the teams ar strugling because of to low sponsoring.
Maybe something to have a look at to improve the game. Not asking this for myself.
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Post by chakra on Apr 12, 2015 11:51:14 GMT 1
It's something a lot of managers tell me: There is not enough sponsoring money in the game. It's ok for managers who play the game a while and win enough races, but most of the teams ar strugling because of to low sponsoring. Maybe something to have a look at to improve the game. Not asking this for myself. +1 Not asking for myself but it's a good point.
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Post by wheelnut on Apr 13, 2015 18:58:15 GMT 1
Thanks for all the advice guys...I actually one the last stage of the tour! I attacked at the first point and later on near the end too, put my rider on 100% and kept my fingers crossed :-)
I am looking at creative ways to schedule my riders and not going for the most obvious i.e. best riders in the big tours.
I note the comment regarding contracts...is it better then just to accept first offer or try to negotiate? I tend to lower the amount and end up with only 1% yearly rise but offer big race win bonuses; is this the best tactic?
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Post by rarau on Apr 14, 2015 13:21:11 GMT 1
I note the comment regarding contracts...is it better then just to accept first offer or try to negotiate? I tend to lower the amount and end up with only 1% yearly rise but offer big race win bonuses; is this the best tactic? NEGOCIATE big race win bonuses => this is the best tactic
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Post by chakra on Apr 15, 2015 22:18:03 GMT 1
I note the comment regarding contracts...is it better then just to accept first offer or try to negotiate? I tend to lower the amount and end up with only 1% yearly rise but offer big race win bonuses; is this the best tactic? NEGOCIATE big race win bonuses => this is the best tactic But is expensive in future
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