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Post by Il Padrino on Jul 21, 2012 17:16:00 GMT 1
All done, team and cyclist history has been completely activated now. I had to clear the team history to cope with the changes, so you'll see the changes on the team history page after the next race.
For each cyclist, all results are now saved to the history, not just the victories (both race as tour results + jerseys). There's a 4th filter 'Results' that shows the final position and a link to the standings of this race/tour.
Cyclist results are also saved to the team history now (race + tour). I'm not sure yet how to display this data, as it could become quite a long list after a while. For now, I've done it the same as the cyclist history, with a filter 'Results'.
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Post by Il Padrino on Jul 21, 2012 17:45:55 GMT 1
Feed back from update 1) Save fitness worked - although maybe too well, they rider i had with save fitness has still got 100% fitness after race, compare to 95% and 65% for other fitness levels I set 2) Liked hiding the winner! 3) Race report ran much much quicker, but wonder if it was because there were only 20 or so riders? 4) Race didn't really suit riders to test attacks / helpers, will look to test over next couple of races I'll take a look at the fitness, to be sure. Although you have a point that it's not really logical that a cyclist's fitness stays the same while riding a race, as the non participating cyclists. I think that a minimum fitness loss of 5% might make more sense. But then I'd have to increase the base fitness loss to 10% instead of the 5% now. Schizm has already opted this modification. It would certainly increase the tactical use of the Save Fitness tactic, at the least. Keep me posted about the race report!  There is still room for improvement in reducing the xml file. |
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Post by Schizm on Jul 21, 2012 17:53:12 GMT 1
My cyclists Acastello won todays race but in the calendar it shows :
7/21/2012 Sa Liege - Bastogne - L... Result (*****) View
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Post by joachim1107 on Jul 21, 2012 18:07:36 GMT 1
In 3.8 I found a bug in the report. After part 12 there are 2 groups, but all cyclist have the same time.
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Post by joachim1107 on Jul 22, 2012 12:18:31 GMT 1
Feed back from update 1) Save fitness worked - although maybe too well, they rider i had with save fitness has still got 100% fitness after race, compare to 95% and 65% for other fitness levels I set 2) Liked hiding the winner! 3) Race report ran much much quicker, but wonder if it was because there were only 20 or so riders? 4) Race didn't really suit riders to test attacks / helpers, will look to test over next couple of races I'll take a look at the fitness, to be sure. Although you have a point that it's not really logical that a cyclist's fitness stays the same while riding a race, as the non participating cyclists. I think that a minimum fitness loss of 5% might make more sense. But then I'd have to increase the base fitness loss to 10% instead of the 5% now. Schizm has already opted this modification. It would certainly increase the tactical use of the Save Fitness tactic, at the least. Keep me posted about the race report! There is still room for improvement in reducing the xml file. With a base lose of 10% fitnees: doesn't that give problems in the grand tours? That means no fitness left for those cyclist and also almost no possibility to attack in such a tour. |
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Post by Il Padrino on Jul 23, 2012 12:15:04 GMT 1
Grand tours are usually spread over 2 or more weeks, so they recover some of the lost fitness. And you can also train fitness for a faster recovery.
But I'm not going to adapt this without a good argument about the pros & contras ;D
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Post by Il Padrino on Jul 23, 2012 12:16:50 GMT 1
My cyclists Acastello won todays race but in the calendar it shows : 7/21/2012 Sa Liege - Bastogne - L... Result (*****) View You mean the winner is hidden? For now, the winner is hidden until the next day (check on date). |
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Post by crosljam on Jul 23, 2012 12:57:27 GMT 1
With the fitness why not just change the save fitness only lose 2% rather than the standard 5% - over 2/3 stages this is going to make a big difference, and allow a couple of stage win attempts which realstically is this main reason to use save fitness.
I know you're looking at the race simulation missing divisions, but any chance of a temporary fix - my division (3:4) hasn't had any races since last thurs so its hard to test!
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Post by joachim1107 on Jul 23, 2012 13:17:32 GMT 1
In 3.8 the simulation worked. Unlucky for testing purposen only 4 teams subscribed in the tour down under. Again an attack was unsuccesfull. An final sprinter did work out, he won all the intermediates and the final sprint. in the current engine this cyclist is not good enough to follow...
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Post by kurtinsc on Jul 23, 2012 16:37:46 GMT 1
In 3.8 the simulation worked. Unlucky for testing purposen only 4 teams subscribed in the tour down under. Again an attack was unsuccesfull. An final sprinter did work out, he won all the intermediates and the final sprint. in the current engine this cyclist is not good enough to follow... I would expect attacks to be more successful in a low participation race. Smaller peloton = less riders pulling back breaks. Also, if one team gets away in the break, I'd expect them not to pull if they had a rider in the lead break. My TDU (3.5) only has 2 teams and nobody got away in stage one. I'll try some early breaks in stage 2 at 100%. If I can't get away from one other team, it's hard to imagine it happening at all. |
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Post by joachim1107 on Jul 24, 2012 12:40:16 GMT 1
Again no simulation yet in 3.8.
Further I think it's a wrong dissision to make sprint important in breakaways. Although it seems weird I think only the terrainskill and the timetrail skill should play a role in attacks. In that way you can choose to either train your cylist on a terrain (flat, hill or mountain) combined with sprint or with timetrail depending on you want attackers or final sprinters.
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Post by joachim1107 on Jul 24, 2012 12:47:41 GMT 1
Grand tours are usually spread over 2 or more weeks, so they recover some of the lost fitness. And you can also train fitness for a faster recovery. But I'm not going to adapt this without a good argument about the pros & contras ;D I looked at what would happen on the TDF of this year. 4 etappes in the first week, means 60% fitness. The second week is started with 80% fitness. 7 etappes result in 10% fitness left and with that 5 weeks needed to recover the cyclist. I think it's better for save fitness to recover 3 or 4% zo that they woul lose only 1 or 2% fitness; In the beginning of the tread new race engine is als said that save fitness would result in losing 1%. |
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Post by kurtinsc on Jul 24, 2012 14:27:00 GMT 1
Again no simulation yet in 3.8. Further I think it's a wrong dissision to make sprint important in breakaways. Although it seems weird I think only the terrainskill and the timetrail skill should play a role in attacks. In that way you can choose to either train your cylist on a terrain (flat, hill or mountain) combined with sprint or with timetrail depending on you want attackers or final sprinters. Well, I hope sprint counts for breakaways because I started training sprint a few weeks back for just that reason... to breakaway easier under the new engine. I'll be a bit annoyed if sprint becomes less important again. |
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Post by joachim1107 on Jul 24, 2012 15:28:17 GMT 1
With training sprint you would still be good, not for break aways, but for the final sprint. I noticed that a good sprinter can win a lot, with enough helpers to get him throuh. My sprinter with bad secundaries, and a 0 on hill and mountain and only 4 on flat could win the first stage of tour down under, just with good helpers.
For attackers you als need time trail so you have to train to many different parameters, and that is not easy with the current trainer system.
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Post by joachim1107 on Jul 25, 2012 13:16:58 GMT 1
I saw the race of yesterday was simulated. Today no simulation yet in 3.8.
My final sprinter had 3 falls (bad secundaries), but I think 3 is way too much. Falls were in downhill sections, but with almost no slope...
I also noticed more injuries on the test server, both in training and competition. Maybe it's just bad luck...
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There is still room for improvement in reducing the xml file.
