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Post by ecas on Mar 12, 2008 13:52:35 GMT 1
I think everyone of us thinks that the Tour de France is the most prestigious tour out there, and so my idea is why not Tour de France become one type of World Cup, only the last season country champions teams can race, i think Tour de France should not be to noob teams like mine because its a very special tour.
Tour de France should be the time of the season where we find out who is the BEST team out there.
If this happened i will be ager to see how the Portuguese National Champion is doing.
Sorry for my english, hope everyone can understand my idea.
Edit:typo
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Post by middels8088 on Mar 14, 2008 6:24:32 GMT 1
C'mon!!!!!! If Tour de France is only for top teams, The cyclist at the lower teams will be boring and got to wait for more that 11 days for the naxt race!!! plus the more managers will quit PELOTON!!!!!!!!!!!!
think twice!!!
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Post by ecas on Mar 14, 2008 10:47:49 GMT 1
Thinking twice. In that eleven days we could have races anyway, just need to be different tour or races. You dont know who is the best team in Peloton, because they don't race which others, you only race against your country teams. The questions is who is the best Peloton Manager/team ? can someone tell me ? no. Thats why i put this idea here because must be boring not to race against active managers from other country's. And i say Tour de France its not the main idea i hope you can understand that, to me makes no difference because i am in lower division, but i want to get promoted and get to be champion to try to be BEST PELOTON MANAGER SEASON 15 thats why i think we need something to get managers motivated to get there, Tour de France/International Peloton Tour you can call it what you want i just think we need international tour. And dont take this personal, but when you criticize you should make the critic to the idea not to the person that put the idea Just trying to help, hey if you don't want an active forum/game member its ok with me i just make like 95% of the users and just play the game.
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Post by anakin on Mar 15, 2008 13:14:08 GMT 1
One slight problem... I can make money ONLY in big tours due to the type of training and cyclists (since there the flat/hill trainers can`t use high risks mindlessly so I DO get a decent chance) Also I get results ONLY in big tours due to the aforementioned reason Your suggestion will make me bankrupt and without a viable solution for MY DESIRED training and btw..the BEST Peloton manager is the one that has the LOWEST overall time when a certain Tour is over .. and it`s not the manager but the cyclist that managed that particular time
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Post by ecas on Mar 15, 2008 14:00:23 GMT 1
I think you don't understand the idea, only for TOP TEAMS. The idea its not to take races or tours to the lower teams its only to see who is the best manager.
Are you serious ? Who buy him or choose is training ? isn't the manager that chooses is race/tour tactics/gear ? What are we doing here if its only the rider that wins.
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Post by anakin on Mar 16, 2008 1:45:53 GMT 1
If you really want to see who`s the best manager instead of ruining so many leagues you can get a simpler solution ELITE League .. so all 1.1 leagues get one promotion slot to that "Super Bowl" league and they get to race each other rather than ruining the game for so many in lower leagues Btw.. why TDF and not Giro or Volta? Also note that the ones not training fitness for any number of reasons may or may not enlist their best cyclists in TDF due to Giro ... So it fails on several heads tbh Ya Maybe it`s a started cyclist..maybe it`s a lucky pull with high FA...maybe it`s skill..and maybe I was half sarcastic Gear doesn`t do wonders... so it has to be the cyclist`s attributes which can be acquired in more than one way .. buy/train/risks/etc We are actually makin` money to buy trainers and scouts or buy cyclists to train (or just generally paying the cyclist`s wages) Oh at btw...I already provided you with the answer you seek.. the best TEAM is the one that won a said Tour with the lowest overall time.. which in itself raises some problems: 1.Some focus on one day tours or short ones 2.Some focus on big tours 3.Some focus on nothing and race as much as they have cyclists for So it may not be a reliable result to take only TDF .. especially since you may not have Giro`s cyclists up to 100% and it`s close to impossible to know if the said team is using it`s "Best 5" for TDF or not
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Post by Il Padrino on Mar 16, 2008 10:58:47 GMT 1
The idea for the future is to have different calendars for divisions, so that the 1.1 divisions have all the classic protour races and tours, and the lower divisions some more low profile races/tours (for example the Tour Down Under or the Tour of Qatar, so still interesting and fun enough).
However, I think that the TDF is a tour everyone wants to participate in, because it's the most well known. So the 3 biggest tours (TDF, Giro, Vuelta), will remain in all calendars.
This will also make the game more fun, I feel, as promoting and even relegating teams have something new and fresh to look foreward too.
It's unsure when this will be implemented in the game, as we're working on several other things now and it would require a lot new races and tours to be inserted in the game, but the plans for this are pretty concrete.
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Post by ecas on Mar 16, 2008 11:35:19 GMT 1
I like the concept of your idea. When i say TDF its only an example, maybe the best was create a new tour like Peloton Tour. Yes you are rigth but maybe if you put a better prize maybe the teams try to put their best on this "special tour". When you talk about the lowest overall time = best team i understand what you are saying but its no fun to compared teams like that, to me better its to put them to race each other, dont you wanted to see your last season champion team race against other country's champions ? i liked to see that. @il Padrino Yes i think its a good idea what you are thinking implementing. Writing this anakin gave me other idea, so i will make a new topic . Can i ask why champions don't get any type of trophies ?
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Post by anakin on Mar 16, 2008 20:38:58 GMT 1
Il Padrino I train mountain and did from the start of the season so my only chance at ANY result are the big tours.. any other is a bonus but in no way carved in stone so I will defend the big Tours to the death Let alone the fact that after that big reshuffle I promoted in Div 2 from 5th place in Div 3 So I am still struggling for at least 2 more seasons until I can get SOME allrounders and will try to promote ecas .. my team is Runner-Ups in Div 2:3 Romania... take a look at my problem and you`ll understand
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Post by Rattlehead on Mar 17, 2008 0:27:13 GMT 1
Maybe the whole calendar could be expanded a lot. But then instead of let's having each division his own calendar, everyone just can enter the races they will like, provided they are qualified to enter.
This would mean of course that about 200 cyclists have to be in one and the same big race and at least 100 in the lower races. Also lower teams would be able to enter less known races only, which could lead to a dropping interest. And of course, in the end you could worry about the chances for a lower team to climb up the stairs.
And last but not least, it would mean a change with a huge impact.
It would be more realistic, but in the end it might just not work at all. But I do like that at least there are thought of changing calendars a little.
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Post by Heloo on Mar 17, 2008 1:46:27 GMT 1
Another idea: to have multiple races on one day. For example during the tours, some continental races are held also. But you can only participate in one race , so teams who ride in the more prestigious tour (lets call them 'Pro Tour' cant participate in the continental race. Off course the price money of the continental race should be a lot less, my suggestion would be to make the price money only 20% compared to the Pro Tour races. This way the weaker teams can earn some money. Some problems might be that not enough cyclist will enter a race, so the price money of Pro Tour races will drop dramaticly. So maybe the rules should be changed then, or divisions should contain more teams? Anyway every team will be allowed to ride in big races like TdF but they can make a more tactical choice by riding continental races instead. Comments are welcome, maybe the rule of only 1 race a day for each team shouldnt be used .. just let me know what you think?
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Post by Il Padrino on Mar 17, 2008 16:54:43 GMT 1
I think that if there is a calendar with a gazillion amount of races, you will only confuse people more. Especially when the calendar contains races to which certain teams can not participate.
Multiple races will also cause a drop in the number of participating cyclists.
So, in general, I would keep the amount of races as it is (around 80), although it could be possible that divisions can have a couple of races more/less than another.
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Post by Il Padrino on Mar 17, 2008 16:58:36 GMT 1
Il Padrino I train mountain and did from the start of the season so my only chance at ANY result are the big tours.. any other is a bonus but in no way carved in stone so I will defend the big Tours to the death Let alone the fact that after that big reshuffle I promoted in Div 2 from 5th place in Div 3 So I am still struggling for at least 2 more seasons until I can get SOME allrounders and will try to promote I understand. If there will be different calendars for the divisions, there would still have to be a little bit of balance so that players who focus on mountain races don't promote into a division with mainly flat races. That would be the biggest problem to overcome when implementing this feature, mainly because of the large amount of races each calendar should have. But again, this will not be for the next couple of months. But maybe we could already think a bit about how the different calendars could look like, which races and tours. It would give a good first impression on whether the calendars are balanced enough.
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Post by anakin on Mar 17, 2008 17:27:01 GMT 1
Thank you sir
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Post by middels8088 on Mar 22, 2008 4:28:26 GMT 1
Thinking twice. In that eleven days we could have races anyway, just need to be different tour or races. You dont know who is the best team in Peloton, because they don't race which others, you only race against your country teams. The questions is who is the best Peloton Manager/team ? can someone tell me ? no. Thats why i put this idea here because must be boring not to race against active managers from other country's. And i say Tour de France its not the main idea i hope you can understand that, to me makes no difference because i am in lower division, but i want to get promoted and get to be champion to try to be BEST PELOTON MANAGER SEASON 15 thats why i think we need something to get managers motivated to get there, Tour de France/International Peloton Tour you can call it what you want i just think we need international tour. And dont take this personal, but when you criticize you should make the critic to the idea not to the person that put the idea Just trying to help, hey if you don't want an active forum/game member its ok with me i just make like 95% of the users and just play the game. C'mon!!!! If only for top teams, Then it is unfair!!!!!! to the lower teams!!!!!! do u think the lower teams will be not racing in the tour and the top ones are and so..... WHAT WILL HAPPEN? ? POINTS UNEVEN!!!!!!!!!!!! THINK TWICE!!!!! ECAS!
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