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Post by captagon on Sept 11, 2008 16:30:52 GMT 1
and this is where i tried to correct you earlier: sprinting a couple of km's along the way should NOT improve your overall time. If sprinting would be a benefit time-wise, why doesn't everyone just sprint the whole distance of 200+ km? exactly, he won't be able to, he'll be tired in no-time.
Just as he will be if he sprints 3km now and then. he will still be able to finish the race, but not as fast as he would have if he just stayed in the peloton and spread his effort more equally over the race.
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Post by philipoes on Sept 11, 2008 20:02:15 GMT 1
But losing THAT much time because you sprint doesn't make much sense either.
I've come up with another solution, those who sprint get a fictive EXTRA kilometer in their race that is ridden on Flat + 2x Sprint. That way, they won't benefit from sprinting but the loss in time won't be as much as it is now.
And by the way, with the current race engine, if you select a mountain specialist who you want to compete for the leader jersey, to sprint for the points jersey AND his sprint skill is higher than his flat skill, he will have a better endtime than if you would not select him!
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Post by zimba on Sept 17, 2008 10:37:12 GMT 1
Maybe it would indeed make more sense when the sprint skill is stacked with the terrain skill... Well, I guess many players would like to see it that way. So they can go points/mountain jerseys without losing time with their best cyclists, so they also go for a good ranking without any loss. BUT : If in real cycling, a sprinter or climber tries to win intermediate sprints, he puts a certain effort in it, which in the end might cost him some necessary effort and thus he might lose some time, or end worse in the final sprint. So actually, I wouldn't change it. If you're gonna add normal skill + sprint skill together, it would be worth to select your cyclist going for time jersey every time on the terrain with most number of sprints that day. That surely would be negative ! However, You could also apply that a rider going for sprints would lose some extra fitness percantages. But as in big tours, they then would quickly go below 50%, this would require another change : Putting 65% effort, not costing you any fitness loss (or 70% = -0%, 75% = -5%, ... 100% = -30%)... |
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Post by zimba on Sept 17, 2008 10:45:07 GMT 1
And by the way, with the current race engine, if you select a mountain specialist who you want to compete for the leader jersey, to sprint for the points jersey AND his sprint skill is higher than his flat skill, he will have a better endtime than if you would not select him! Indeed, and that's also not the way it's supposed to be. But ok, I guess these sort of cyclists are rare, and at least it would give some use to train sprint, as I don't think it's much of a use at the moment. |
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Post by Rattlehead on Sept 25, 2008 10:55:05 GMT 1
When a cyclist participates for sprints, his sprint skill is used instead of his flat or mountain skill (depending on where the sprint is). So basically, it's best to select a rider for sprints when his sprint skill is better than his flat skill. Same for mountain sprints and mountain skill. If your cyclist has a better mountain skill than sprint skill, he will lose time because of the sprint. That's exactly why I don't apoint anyone for the green jersey. Wow ! Didn't know that. Up till now, I selected someone for sprints & mountain each time, even if they didn't stand a chance. From now on, I'll leave it blank in such occasions. Question though : Does this mean every selected rider will lose time if his sprint skill is lower than his terrain skill ? Or only the three getting the points. As I can imagine there are many occasions in which you selected a cyclist to compete for the intermediate sprints, but they aren't in front at all at the moment they cross the sprint. It would be quite silly to still start "sprinting" if already 50 riders have crossed that point. And another question : How many kms are those sprints ? Are we speaking about 30 seconds time loss per sprint ? 10 seconds ? 1 minute ? |
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Post by Il Padrino on Sept 25, 2008 15:44:33 GMT 1
1- Every rider selected for sprints.
2- Sprints are generally 3km.
If the sprint is on hill terrain, it's 4.5km (times 1.5)
If the sprint is on mountain terrain, it's 6km (times 2)
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