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Post by Pissboy on Aug 20, 2008 0:52:42 GMT 1
Next to the youthscout, i think you should be able to hire 1 or several (limited) scouts who really go searching for talent so that you can select a cyclist of another team OR your own. After a few days or weeks he would be able to tell you approximately the CA and/or FA of the cyclist. That way i think it could also make the transfersystem more interesting if you'd be able to bid on cyclists that are NOT on the transferlist and even set an asking price on cyclists in your team who you don't want to put on the TL.
Please vote, explain your vote and make suggestions !
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Post by iwander71 on Aug 20, 2008 5:32:12 GMT 1
I have voted that your idea could have potential. If I understand you right; I would identify a particular rider, including one of my own, that I want to know the CA and/or FA of and I would 'assign' the limited scout to 'scout' the rider. (You might even give him the ability to scout proper scouts, and coaches maybe...) After a specific period of time the limited scout would produce the results I requested of him. In turn I could also put a 'price-tag' on my riders so that these scouts could see 'approach' prices to make a bid on them. (My limited scout would also be able to see these 'price-tags' so that I could make approaches on other teams' riders.) Some quick questions: - Would this cost money, on top of his wage, each time we used him? - Would there be a limit to how many times in a season we could use him? - Would there be a variance in the limited scouts ability? I mean would he always be 100% accurate? - Would there be a slide rule of abilities for the limited scouts? I mean would they have skill ratings; and therefor differing values? - In regard to the 'approach' prices, if I found a rider I wanted and made an approach, would the rider then go onto the transfer list? (This would allow for the management community to decide whether to compete in the bids and open the process up. ) This seems an obviously useful tool for identifying potential riders. I am not sure though. I have not been playing for very long but, for the short time I have been a part of the game, I have enjoyed spending time reading and learning about it. I like the idea that a managers effort might be rewarded. Also, the Wiki states; "The current ability and the future ability of a cyclist are hidden skills, which means no one will never be able to see how high or low this skill is for a cyclist. However, you can estimate these skills by observing their training process (future ability) and performances in races (current ability) closely.", so the numbers of your own riders can be estimated through a process, and I figure we might be able to monitor riders of other teams over a period of time. (Not sure about this last part... ) I really like the fact that people are so into the game that they can throw ideas into the forum like this and possibly come up with something good to help the game. (...and in turn help us enjoy the game...) Kudos Pissboy!
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Post by nuikke on Aug 20, 2008 10:05:02 GMT 1
I think you don't need to see you opponents stats. In real life, cyclists haven't stats 1-20.... Doing a tranfer must be always contain a certain risk
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Post by Pissboy on Aug 20, 2008 11:42:51 GMT 1
I think you don't need to see you opponents stats. In real life, cyclists haven't stats 1-20.... Doing a tranfer must be always contain a certain risk Not all the stats, just the FA and/or CA. And well no, in real life cyclists don't have stats 1-20, but this is a game and in a game it's always with values like that.
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Post by Pissboy on Aug 20, 2008 11:52:38 GMT 1
- Would this cost money, on top of his wage, each time we used him? - Would there be a limit to how many times in a season we could use him? - Would there be a variance in the limited scouts ability? I mean would he always be 100% accurate? - Would there be a slide rule of abilities for the limited scouts? I mean would they have skill ratings; and therefor differing values? - In regard to the 'approach' prices, if I found a rider I wanted and made an approach, would the rider then go onto the transfer list? (This would allow for the management community to decide whether to compete in the bids and open the process up. ) First of all, with limited scouts i mean, limit the amount of scouts ! Yes, there would be a limit of the amount of times we use a scout, since it would always take a while till he can give us his results. And No, ofcourse the results would never be 100 accurate, but the better the scout you get, the more presentative his results will be. I wouldn't put the cyclists automatically on the TL if someone makes a 'high enough' bid on a cyclists, but if a manager decides too, he can always put him on the TL after anyways. Anyway, this is all to be discussed, it's just how i have it in my head now... I do think it would stop a lot of rich teams of saving up all their money so badly, finally their would be some more cash flow between teams again. It would also stimulate me again to buy cyclists, cuz i find it annoying to buy cyclists if i don't even know their FA, so i keep on training my own.
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Post by Il Padrino on Aug 20, 2008 13:38:00 GMT 1
The result of the scouting mission could be in text form instead of numbers, so that it is never 100% sure which FA or CA the cyclist has. Something like "the scout thinks cyclist x has a good potential", which means his FA is in the range of, say, 10-15.
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Post by Pissboy on Aug 20, 2008 21:23:01 GMT 1
The result of the scouting mission could be in text form instead of numbers, so that it is never 100% sure which FA or CA the cyclist has. Something like "the scout thinks cyclist x has a good potential", which means his FA is in the range of, say, 10-15. Yes, exactly! May I conclude you see some potential in this?
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Post by iwander71 on Aug 21, 2008 5:41:54 GMT 1
Anyway, this is all to be discussed, it's just how i have it in my head now... I do think it would stop a lot of rich teams of saving up all their money so badly, finally their would be some more cash flow between teams again. It would also stimulate me again to buy cyclists, cuz i find it annoying to buy cyclists if i don't even know their FA, so i keep on training my own. I think that the idea of having an element that opens up the transfer market and stimulates the flow of money within the game is an excellent idea. I hope you didn't get the impression I was being negative Pissboy. I was asking the questions as they popped into my head and I thought I would just throw them out there. I think I said in a previous thread that I am a bit of a devil's advocate and sometimes see too much of both sides of the tracks. (If you know what I mean. )
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Post by Il Padrino on Aug 21, 2008 8:23:01 GMT 1
The result of the scouting mission could be in text form instead of numbers, so that it is never 100% sure which FA or CA the cyclist has. Something like "the scout thinks cyclist x has a good potential", which means his FA is in the range of, say, 10-15. Yes, exactly! May I conclude you see some potential in this? It has potential, yes. We still have to analyse it further, of course.
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Post by Pissboy on Aug 21, 2008 17:03:39 GMT 1
I hope you didn't get the impression I was being negative Pissboy. I was asking the questions as they popped into my head and I thought I would just throw them out there. I think I said in a previous thread that I am a bit of a devil's advocate and sometimes see too much of both sides of the tracks. (If you know what I mean. ) Not at all, it's the only way we're getting somewhere It has potential, yes. We still have to analyse it further, of course. Obviously, i hope more people can give some more ideas about this and the peloton-designers can hopefully work it out sometime in the future...
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Post by anakin on Aug 22, 2008 8:57:47 GMT 1
[...] if you'd be able to bid on cyclists that are NOT on the transferlist and even set an asking price on cyclists in your team who you don't want to put on the TL. This should be implemented with a "catch" to it ... the purchase cannot be completed without 2 prequisites : contract of the scouted cyclist runs out or being put to transfer market. I don`t particularily like the idea of losing one of my riders to some guy that has the cash to bid the astronomical "Contract release clause". Sure this could work with the addition of a "shortlist" to put the scouted riders and check if they are put on sale or if they are eligible of being bid while under contract but in general I don`t like any outside factor that might lose me riders indepedent of my own free will [EDIT]It might have some potential if one person bids for a rider and the team gets a message (Team X bid Y amount of money for said cyclist.. accept sale or not with immediate effect/effect from start of new season/any number of days) which would come closer to the reality side of it where cyclists are approached and offered contracts while still being with a team but as a general rule it has to be the manager's choice IMO
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Post by Pissboy on Aug 22, 2008 11:41:13 GMT 1
I never talked about a contract release clause, IMO it has to be the manager's choice as well. I'm not sure how i made you understand differently.
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Post by anakin on Aug 22, 2008 18:00:42 GMT 1
it sounded that way for some reason
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Post by rarau on Aug 23, 2008 14:07:23 GMT 1
- Would this cost money, on top of his wage, each time we used him? - Would there be a limit to how many times in a season we could use him? - Would there be a variance in the limited scouts ability? I mean would he always be 100% accurate? Anyway, this is all to be discussed, it's just how i have it in my head now... I do think it would stop a lot of rich teams of saving up all their money so badly, finally their would be some more cash flow between teams again. It would also stimulate me again to buy cyclists, cuz i find it annoying to buy cyclists if i don't even know their FA, so i keep on training my own. In Romania I don't see a team who save his money, the most rich team is me (with 30 mil $ , ) but 30 is not so much, (yesterday i bought smth and now i have 16) Why you are annoying if you don't their FA? this is the beauty of this game, you need to descover that. With this scout the beauty of this game will be lost. All users will buy only the ciclist with huge FA. It will be crazy on the market In Dugout online is smth like that, and no one bid on laisy ciclists. If this will be implemented i think it the worst thing possible for this game, all fun will go away. You have 25 places to train, your youthscout give you 1 player per week, you have the market ... you could buy everything you want. For what IP put youthscouts in every teams ? only for fun ?? ''''''''That way i think it could also make the transfersystem more interesting if you'd be able to bid on cyclists that are NOT on the transferlist and even set an asking price on cyclists in your team who you don't want to put on the TL.'''''''''''''''''''''''' Interesting ? ::)This will kill all the fun.
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Post by Pissboy on Aug 24, 2008 16:22:26 GMT 1
In Romania I don't see a team who save his money, the most rich team is me (with 30 mil $ , ) but 30 is not so much, (yesterday i bought smth and now i have 16) Why you are annoying if you don't their FA? this is the beauty of this game, you need to descover that. With this scout the beauty of this game will be lost. All users will buy only the ciclist with huge FA. It will be crazy on the market In Dugout online is smth like that, and no one bid on laisy ciclists. If this will be implemented i think it the worst thing possible for this game, all fun will go away. You have 25 places to train, your youthscout give you 1 player per week, you have the market ... you could buy everything you want. For what IP put youthscouts in every teams ? only for fun ?? ''''''''That way i think it could also make the transfersystem more interesting if you'd be able to bid on cyclists that are NOT on the transferlist and even set an asking price on cyclists in your team who you don't want to put on the TL.'''''''''''''''''''''''' Interesting ? ::)This will kill all the fun. Well first of all, i'm not sure Romania is representative for the rest of Peloton. Sure it's good you don't know the exact FA of cyclists, but with some effort i wouldn't mind knowing appr. their FA OR as i said CA. Obviously cyclists with better FA will sell for better prices, but that's just logical, i don't see a problem with that. Also the youthscout would still be very usefull ofcourse, when you have a cyclist with a huge FA you can still decide to keep him OR sell him for a lot of money, might be nice for 'poor' teams. And to set prices for your cyclists would just exist next to the TL, so i don't really get how it would kill all the fun. But thanks for voting 'very bad idea' and explaining it too, you do make sense, but i still like my idea
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