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Post by ElGringo on Oct 12, 2011 9:09:37 GMT 1
There will be always bot teams and bot riders so the question is if they will make you win money our they will make you lose... But for the game its very important to have bot teams and bot riders because bot riders make people come to the Peloton often and we see may people online biding for riders and thats one of the ways that intusiast people to come here, to bid. This make the game rolling.  |
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Post by lee1950 on Oct 12, 2011 22:52:54 GMT 1
I was thinking about this problem too. I think the botplayers should become available on the TM. But I think what NikeBoy sees as a disadvantage will become the biggest problem: trained teams going bankrupt. So maybe it's a good idea that cyclists with skills above 3 or 4, will be lowered to 2 or 3 before coming available. Maybe it's even possible that the cyclists of an botteam will steadily decrease their skilllevels (capped to 2 or 3), so when they become available there will be enough -cheap- cyclists for new teams or teams without a lot of momey, and teams who have trained up cyclists can still sell them at the right price... Interesting! Sounds like a pretty good compromise!! I like the idea of them losing skill points each season...maybe capped at their starting level of skills? Seems like something that could be programmed, which is critical. |
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Post by Schizm on Oct 13, 2011 6:17:10 GMT 1
I was thinking about this problem too. I think the botplayers should become available on the TM. But I think what NikeBoy sees as a disadvantage will become the biggest problem: trained teams going bankrupt. So maybe it's a good idea that cyclists with skills above 3 or 4, will be lowered to 2 or 3 before coming available. Maybe it's even possible that the cyclists of an botteam will steadily decrease their skilllevels (capped to 2 or 3), so when they become available there will be enough -cheap- cyclists for new teams or teams without a lot of momey, and teams who have trained up cyclists can still sell them at the right price... Interesting! Sounds like a pretty good compromise!! I like the idea of them losing skill points each season...maybe capped at their starting level of skills? Seems like something that could be programmed, which is critical. Personally I think this is going to far, if you do things like this then you might as well not put them on the market. They don"t get trained so trained cyclists will have an edga on them, they age with the rest so pulled cyclists will probably be younger. For me what IP proposed is a adequate solution, but if anything needs to be capped it would is the number of cyclists coming available, so the market doesn't get flooded by cheap cyclists. |
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Post by Mike on Oct 13, 2011 9:40:22 GMT 1
I was against it then and still against it now.
Cyclists coming from bot-teams shouldn't be on the TL. There's no positive conclusion in the matter, only negative.
Even if the top rider in peloton disapeares because his manager turns bot. To bad, now there will be another rider top in peloton riding for an active team. So what?
Not putting cyclists from bot teams on TL will make it a narrow market. So what?
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Post by Genomico on Oct 13, 2011 16:11:08 GMT 1
... if anything needs to be capped it would is the number of cyclists coming available, so the market doesn't get flooded by cheap cyclists. Totally agree with this. The only important thing in my opinion for now / for the near future is to have the amount of BOT-cyclist coming on the TM under control. For example, 4 BOT-teams a day, or 50 cyclist a day. Something like that. |
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Post by lee1950 on Oct 13, 2011 18:21:18 GMT 1
... if anything needs to be capped it would is the number of cyclists coming available, so the market doesn't get flooded by cheap cyclists. Totally agree with this. The only important thing in my opinion for now / for the near future is to have the amount of BOT-cyclist coming on the TM under control. For example, 4 BOT-teams a day, or 50 cyclist a day. Something like that. Which I think is pretty close to what IP suggested. He can replace ~4 BOT teams each day with new teams, and add any other new teams to existing divisions. - that helps keep divisions active - limits the amount of BOT riders on TM - leaves some BOT teams in divisions to help bump up prize money |
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Post by Genomico on Oct 13, 2011 18:48:54 GMT 1
If there are still BOT teams, new teams should replace the BOT teams. Only if it's the e.g. 5th BOT team of the day to be replaced, the riders won't go on the TM.
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Post by lee1950 on Oct 14, 2011 1:19:49 GMT 1
If there are still BOT teams, new teams should replace the BOT teams. Only if it's the e.g. 5th BOT team of the day to be replaced, the riders won't go on the TM. Wouldn't it be better to keep the 5th, 6th, nth.. BOT teams in their divisions, instead of just deleting them? That way they fill out the calendar. |
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Post by Il Padrino on Oct 16, 2011 12:33:04 GMT 1
Interesting! Sounds like a pretty good compromise!! I like the idea of them losing skill points each season...maybe capped at their starting level of skills? Seems like something that could be programmed, which is critical. Personally I think this is going to far, if you do things like this then you might as well not put them on the market. They don"t get trained so trained cyclists will have an edga on them, they age with the rest so pulled cyclists will probably be younger. For me what IP proposed is a adequate solution, but if anything needs to be capped it would is the number of cyclists coming available, so the market doesn't get flooded by cheap cyclists. The solution proposed by me is now active So the divisions will be filled faster, but the amount of bots might also increase. In a few weeks, we could review the status of the divisions and teams and if necessary switch it back to how it was before. |
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Post by andreib on Oct 23, 2011 13:58:39 GMT 1
what a terrible decision...
I wonder why did you make a poll about what our expectations are for the 1st season but not make a poll about this major change???
whoever came up with this idea is the biggest moran on planet earth.
1 short term consequence of this change: less players on the transfer market, so the prices exploded.
1 long term consequence: the people who already made a few moves on the transfer market will have an even bigger edge over the ones who haven't done it so far. if you wanted the more active players not to have a big advantage over the other ones, guess what, you have made their advantage even bigger.
a team with 20 players, will always win more races then a team with 12 players, therefore, win more money and afford easier the players with .
reverse the change ASAP
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Post by Il Padrino on Oct 23, 2011 14:26:54 GMT 1
I admit I didn't think number of cyclists on the transfermarket would be so affected.
I made a modification in the assignment of new teams, so that there is now a 50/50 chance that new teams either replace a bot (and free its cyclists), or are assigned to a division with the lowest amount of teams.
So by this measure there will be more cyclists on the TL (less than before, but more than now) and the divisions will (slowly) be filled as well.
If needed, I could change the percentages to 70/30 (or anything else) afterwards.
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Post by lee1950 on Oct 23, 2011 18:45:59 GMT 1
I admit I didn't think number of cyclists on the transfermarket would be so affected. I made a modification in the assignment of new teams, so that there is now a 50/50 chance that new teams either replace a bot (and free its cyclists), or are assigned to a division with the lowest amount of teams. So by this measure there will be more cyclists on the TL (less than before, but more than now) and the divisions will (slowly) be filled as well. If needed, I could change the percentages to 70/30 (or anything else) afterwards. Thanks, IP. 50/50 sounds like a good solution. I made some early acquisitions, so the number of BOT riders doesn't much affect me. But I do agree that having some Bot riders on the TL would be better for game balance. Teams need minimum 15 riders to compete, 20 is much better. Even poor riders are better than no riders at this point in the game. (Plus, I figure I'm paying my Trainer the same amount to train 24 as to train 12!)  |
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Post by kingstown on Oct 26, 2011 12:33:55 GMT 1
I admit I didn't think number of cyclists on the transfermarket would be so affected. I made a modification in the assignment of new teams, so that there is now a 50/50 chance that new teams either replace a bot (and free its cyclists), or are assigned to a division with the lowest amount of teams. So by this measure there will be more cyclists on the TL (less than before, but more than now) and the divisions will (slowly) be filled as well. If needed, I could change the percentages to 70/30 (or anything else) afterwards. I've noticed a lot of bot riders on the tl the last couple of days. To me it looks a little bit too much, but i'm curious about other opinions. |
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Post by rarau on Oct 26, 2011 14:43:08 GMT 1
I admit I didn't think number of cyclists on the transfermarket would be so affected. I made a modification in the assignment of new teams, so that there is now a 50/50 chance that new teams either replace a bot (and free its cyclists), or are assigned to a division with the lowest amount of teams. So by this measure there will be more cyclists on the TL (less than before, but more than now) and the divisions will (slowly) be filled as well. If needed, I could change the percentages to 70/30 (or anything else) afterwards. I've noticed a lot of bot riders on the tl the last couple of days. To me it looks a little bit too much, but i'm curious about other opinions. for me are not so much almost all teams have 12 players , 12 are not enough for 70 races |
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Post by kingstown on Oct 26, 2011 14:48:56 GMT 1
I've noticed a lot of bot riders on the tl the last couple of days. To me it looks a little bit too much, but i'm curious about other opinions. for me are not so much almost all teams have 12 players , 12 are not enough for 70 races Last week there were about 20 cyclists on the tl in total...now almost 250. In this pace prices wil drop down very fast and there will be enough riders to choose from. |
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