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Post by naspa on Jul 18, 2016 21:21:53 GMT 1
The distribution of promoted teams really sucks. I am now a victim for 2or 3 times in a row, and everybody can just calculate and confirm this. I do not understand what is wrong with a fair distrubution. It is not difficult, pait the best to the worst and vice versa. No magic there.
This is the situation now (sums of 4th divisionist promoted):
3'3 46150
3'4 37872
3'1 31458
3'2 31325
Why not balance it to 2-3 k differences?
Groep 1
Flying Circus
Powerteam
Schwalbewald
WC depotop
Groep 2
Joan Team
Mutley Team
Pedale Bolognese
Team Hong
Groep 3
Caja Rural
Flopsport Vlaanderen
Naspa
St Etienne
Groep 4:
Glekke
Lucero
Mart Cycling Team
Woodford Wolves
Make this game fair or I will quit!
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Post by punkska on Jul 18, 2016 22:02:33 GMT 1
What are you summing? I assume division points from the last season?
All division 4s being equal is unlikely so the number of points gained by a team is unlikely to be the best measure of a team's strength anyway. Could use wage + staff wage, or total cyclist value...
I kind've agree with the theory, but simplified based on finishing position. So for example: 1.1 relegated teams: 12th and 9th are paired and in the same d2, 10th and 11th paired and into the other...each division 2 should get two 1st placed div3 teams and two 2nd
The above example IS how div2 has worked out this season, but I assume coincidentally.
Over time it's easy for one division to get stronger than the other but there's never any balancing of the teams 3rd to 8th either.
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Post by rarau on Jul 19, 2016 7:46:03 GMT 1
From your mail :
team div pos points new div
Schwalbewald 4:08 1 16604 3:04
Joan Team 4:03 1 14476 3:03
Naspa 4:02 1 13553 3:03
Lucero 4:01 1 11825 3:03
Mart Cycling T 4:07 1 11543 3:01
Flopsport V 4:06 1 11179 3:02
Team Hong 4:08 2 8544 3:04
Powerteam 4:04 1 8433 3:01
Flying Circus 4:07 2 8179 3:04
Pedale Bologne 4:05 1 7883 3:02
St Etienne 4:03 2 7626 3:01
Woodford W 4:06 2 6296 3:03
Glekke 4:01 2 6210 3:02
Caja Rural 4:05 2 6053 3:02
Mutley Team 4:04 2 4545 3:04
WC depotop 4:02 2 3856 3:01
like i said all is automatic.
Best team from division 4 go in the place of the worst from division 3 (i hope i'm not wrong )
If Mart or Flop have 500 points more was in our division.
Like punkska said a lot of things count, the trainer, the scout, transfer, cyclists, wages, finances and not the points. And if you see for today we have only 5 teams entered in the race. Maybe in other division are more or less teams who enter for today race.
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Post by rarau on Jul 19, 2016 11:41:52 GMT 1
your Press Announcement Naspa Premium member Latest news from manager: 7/18/2016 - Unfair! If the organisation of this game is not into promoting fair competition, i will quit playing this nonsense. A game like this, where you are busy competiting other teams in a fair way for months, should not depend so much on luck with the distribution -when the season ends- of teams in (other) divisions. I've being screwed totally unnecessarily a few times too much now. my history Division 4:8, World S6 Nr Team RW TJ PJ MJ Points 1. WORLDTEAM 21 6 4 3 4394 2. De Vlaamse Hollanders 23 4 2 2 4361 3. FC t'Melkzuur 12 3 1 0 4020 4. Luptatorii din Rarau 18 0 3 0 3842 S7 Division 4:8, World Nr Team RW TJ PJ MJ Points 1. Nightbiker 65 12 8 12 11597 2. WC VroOom 10 1 3 2 3947 3. Luptatorii din Rarau 7 1 3 0 3397 4. Team Høng 0 0 0 0 1647 S9 Division 3:1, World Nr Team RW TJ PJ MJ Points 1. Luptatorii din Rarau 14 1 0 2 4071 2. Tours.Cycle.Club 3 5 1 1 3954 3. Warner Bros Racing 12 4 3 3 3570 4. The Mothers of Invention 14 0 2 1 3508 5. Snake Milano 13 2 0 2 3071 6. WC VroOom 16 2 5 5 3056 4/28/2013 DIV Finished 4 in division 3:6 with 3569 points. 5 1/2/2013 DIV Finished 6 in division 3:6 with 2101 points. 4 in first 2 seasons i have very difficult seasons, i was with some big teams but i dont remember very good and i cannot see history from this 2 seasons. You think if you will promote on second division will be easy?!? you have 53 cyclists  you have more cyclists then me  )) that is a performance  all users from first 2 divisions ask me why i'm so much and you have more then me. |
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Post by danpark on Jul 19, 2016 13:03:17 GMT 1
The game is definitely not fair, 10 out of 12 first division teams are better than mine, move them away and let me win the game alone.  |
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Post by naspa on Jul 20, 2016 18:22:25 GMT 1
Well, guys, thank you for the utter nonsense and the information that does not fit reality. Just count the points! (Or add up the total value of riders, investments and money, but... let's be honest, this is a total random thing or an algorithm gone wild!) If you do not believe it, just look what is going to in 3:3 (only division where promoted teams won the first two races and why the two best regulated teams of 2:1 are in this division?). And I am very glad that, you Rarau will be first hand witness on what is to come.
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Post by rarau on Jul 20, 2016 20:22:51 GMT 1
I dont understand last phrase/sentence about me. Like you see i'm in place 4 and Forza on 6 place. Consider that our group is a preparation for you for next season when you will be on second division. Op and i think Seberla are younger then the others from division 1 . You could be like them. Tomorrow i will try to put some statistics with times from all division 3 and 2 to see if you are right. Probably you are right because i believe that Parasca , my best mountain star, to crush all his oponents and he finished 2  Again i dont like to be in a difficult group i wanted of course to be in the easiest division 3 but that s life. Like i said in messages this is the way. Making other chooses is subjective. If the admins choose to put in a subjective matter the teams in groups then it will be chaos. The best example how to put the 4 relegate from division A to div 2 ?? In what matter?? Like i said for example Negru (Evcont) and Ab Normal have a lot of money, if they want could crush their division 2.2 but now wanted to play with some youngsters. They have a good team or not? I could give you a lot of examples like this. Other things are important : finances, trainer, cyclists, to have mountain stars and flat stars, to have youngsters and so on |
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Post by negru on Jul 20, 2016 21:14:01 GMT 1
I don't have money, who told you this non-sense? I want to make money, but i forgot how! About Ab, i don't know, i suspect him to be very rich, after all i think he is an entrepreneur in real life, so he should know how to make money  |
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Post by rarau on Jul 20, 2016 22:02:42 GMT 1
You are the richiest romanian so you have same cash  |
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Post by rarau on Jul 21, 2016 8:36:13 GMT 1
First stage Estancia Grande - Mirador del Potrero
3.3
1. Strassera 0 1 04:55:16 Lucero
2. Parasca 0 0 00:00:10 Luptatorii din Rarau
3. Vadim 0 0 00:00:56 Naspa Achne 26
1.1
1. Grazziotin 0 0 04:50:48 De Droeftoeters
2. Becerro 0 0 04:51:27 P&P Runners
3. Devred 0 0 04:51:54 Rats
4. Byrne 0 0 04:52:52 BeterLaatDanNooit
2.1
1. Rapaijc 0 0 04:53:16 J.M. Jiménez
2. Domingues Barata 0 0 04:53:37 Hüsker Dü
3. Vieille 0 0 04:55:30 Eagles Wings
4. Terkildsen 0 0 04:56:04 GIK team
2.2
1. Calvet 0 0 04:52:53 Evcont
2. Selie 0 1 04:55:13 Trapper123
3. Cosio 0 0 04:56:20 Breschel Cycling
4. Callens 0 0 04:56:35 ALESANA
5. Gommers 0 0 04:57:19 De Kasseienstoempers
3.1
1. Buckless 0 0 04:58:45 Polhill Racing CC
2. Wavreille 0 0 04:59:59 wc de pot op
3. Pavel 0 0 05:00:18 joachim1107
4. van Benthem 0 0 05:00:32 joachim1107
3.2
1. Granato 0 0 04:55:56 SeMTeX
2. Vandefonteyne 1 0 04:56:36 benilsonwheels
3. Lemerle 0 0 04:56:58 Bergtoppen
4. Dourthe 0 0 04:59:51 En Danseuse
3.3
1. Strassera 0 1 04:55:16 Lucero
2. Parasca 0 0 04:55:26 Luptatorii din Rarau
3. Vadim 0 0 04:56:13 Naspa Achne 26
4. Vermoortel 0 0 04:56:43 Joanteam
5. Decorte 0 0 04:57:55 KS Crusaders
3.4
1. Dodos 0 1 04:56:22 WC VroOom
2. Lesceu 0 0 04:56:36 Tour de Yorkshire
3. Natale 0 0 04:56:38 R.Antwerp B.C
4. Chisca 0 0 04:59:04 Tour de Yorkshire
5. Boivin 0 0 04:59:51 Schwalbewald
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Post by rarau on Jul 21, 2016 8:55:33 GMT 1
Second stage La Toma - Merlo
1.1
1. Gueroult 0 0 04:18:12 BeterLaatDanNooit
2. Manier 0 0 04:18:27 De Droeftoeters
3. Laranjeira 0 0 04:18:49 Rats
4. Loyaerts 0 0 04:19:13 P&P Runners
2.1
1. Feringa 0 0 04:17:53 Hüsker Dü
2. Blairon 0 0 04:20:21 Bolt Thrower
3. Bennedsdatter 0 0 04:20:21 J.M. Jiménez
4. D'Ambrosio 0 0 04:20:39 GIK team
5. Meersmans 0 0 04:21:01 Neo
2.2
1. Sikora 0 0 04:19:42 Trapper123
2. Parlanti 0 0 04:20:29 Evcont
3. Bazile 0 0 04:21:23 Breschel Cycling
4. Oedekerk 0 0 04:21:32 Gonzalez
3.1
1. Quiriconi 0 0 04:23:07 joachim1107
2. Paturel 0 0 04:24:30 SILVER BACK
3. Agoff 0 0 04:25:46 Polhill Racing CC
3.2
1. Zimmermann 0 0 04:21:09 Bergtoppen
2. Cammaert 0 1 04:26:16 Tours.Cycle.Club
3. Malonda Y Sanz 1 0 04:26:59 benilsonwheels
3.3
1. Ramos 0 0 04:21:16 Naspa Achne 26
2. Moise 0 0 04:23:13 Lucero
3. Boulianne 1 0 04:23:13 Joanteam
4. Jungbluth 0 0 04:24:41 Luptatorii din Rarau
3.4
1. Delafuente 0 0 04:22:51 WC VroOom
2. Nava 0 0 04:24:01 Team Høng
3. Dirven 0 0 04:24:46 Tour de Yorkshire
4. Weemaes 0 0 04:25:03 R.Antwerp B.C
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Post by rarau on Jul 21, 2016 9:03:02 GMT 1
So
first stage
3. Vadim 0 0 04:56:13 Naspa Achne 26 could be on place 5 on 2.1, 3 on 2.2, 1 on 3.1, 2 on 3.2, 1 on 3.4 but very near
on second stage
1. Ramos 0 0 04:21:16 Naspa Achne 26
6 on 2.1, 3 on 2.2, 2 on 3.2
so our group have times near 3.2 and 3.4
3.1 looks to be in first 2 stages the easiest group
and with your players you could have good results in 2.2 .
You will see that our group is not far better then others 3. And also that times from division 3 are near division 2
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Post by Ab Normaal on Jul 21, 2016 11:02:09 GMT 1
I don't have money, who told you this non-sense? I want to make money, but i forgot how! About Ab, i don't know, i suspect him to be very rich, after all i think he is an entrepreneur in real life, so he should know how to make money You don't hear me complaining  On the other hand, what one finds rich, is only a nickel for another one. I guess I was one of the first to sell his first generation cyclists and I made very much money on that. But I also invested in the best second generation riders, which also costed me something. |
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Post by rarau on Jul 21, 2016 12:34:10 GMT 1
1. Naspa Achne 26 2 0 1 0 321
2. Joanteam 0 1 0 0 310
3. Lucero 1 0 0 0 206
4. Luptatorii din Rarau 0 0 0 1 159
5. KS Crusaders 0 0 0 0 66
6. Forza17 0 0 0 0 18
happy now naspa?
the big teams from division 2.1 are on 4 and 6 place.
You have 17 times more points then Forza.
You see that for tomorrow are only 4 teams entered till now?
In this way you will promote for sure in division 2.
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