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Post by ElGringo on May 2, 2016 14:18:41 GMT 1
I just saw now this topic, I have been out because I haven't had many time to check the forum and sometimes even the game.
Where to start? Since some time ago we (I and Schizm) we always fight to keep the game alive and we gain the trust of IP to gave us conditions to keep the game rolling, but this isn't an easy task and we don't get any money for the time we spend on game and even of game because many times this doesn't work and we have to solvet manually and many of managers didn't notice that something was wrong. The game is funtastic but to keep it alive I decided about a year ago to recover old managers and send to them emails telling that if they wanted to come back they will have the team back, was a decision to help the game surviving and we will keep doing that. I already reactivate several teams and some twice because for some reason they become bot again. Some teams had good financial health and keep it, but others don't and we reset the finances to positive numbers.
We cannot control everything and we don't have tools/time to do that but we still fight for a clean game.
I will not enter in country challanges because we all live in the same planet so we are all equals but because of my generosity I know that some managers sometimes took advantage of that, but what happens happens.
Related to the transfers there were in the past problems and there will be in the future, but related to the buys of EGV I don't see nothing wrong, if he seems fair to pay that ammount for some 18y who am I to judge, and I also saw managers trying to take advantage of that placing 18y at 1 million.
We cannot satisfy everyone and we know we aren't perfects but what we do is to keep the game alive.
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Post by davidandre on May 2, 2016 15:22:05 GMT 1
I am one of those members who anticipated on EGV's eagerness to buy 18y's. I just restarted myself but in my case I decided to start again with a complete new team. I have to build a completely new team and when I saw that I could make some big money on selling one of my 18 year olds I decided to do that. In fact another one is on the market. I see only a win win situation because I could make some good money and EGV and others are able to buy some talented young cyclists. The only problem about the restart of EGV was that he had both his old money as his new cyclists. But he fixed that himself if I read it correctly. So since that problem is solved and he only had his stuff (money) from his old team I dont see any problems?
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Post by Schizm on May 2, 2016 15:41:45 GMT 1
... And please explain me how can you know other teams where not punished, can you tell me how exactly did you check other teams finances ? ... I'm sorry that el gringo, you Schizm and others you feel responsible, you are not the problem, indeed go ahead too much not to kill peloton, the problem is those who cheat and continues to do so without restraint ... as regards economy of the teams is not possible for us to see them, but in the history of the teams, for both sellers and for buyers, in the history of transfers, if there is a reduction of the sums that reads the sum reduced ... I like this game simple simple but see it ruined by those who want cheat to his advantage or little friends do not like it ... I see that the issue is beginning to annoy someone, only those who have a clear conscience seeks to examine the problem, I will accept what you do, in good and bad, I think it is useless to continue ... You can't always see what was done in the transfer history, because it also could be a fine deducted straight form the current balance, or sometimes the money gets corrected but we forget to change the history. In extreme cases we can even change the cyclists hidden skills or force a sale, don't think that Nike ever did that but it isn't entirely impossible. Made deals about selling/buying a cyclists with lots of teams myself (teams of various nationalities, I exclude noone ), so I don't see anything wrong with that. (except if you are the buyer and the seller at the same time, or the deal has the sole purpose to only enrich one side) ]Is it in the code that you loose your team after not logging in for a month? Is it possible to remove that, so that you can pick up where you left off, even if you haven't logged in for a year? Of course if you fired your trainer and scout so you aren't going bankrupt. Ofcourse this is in the code but there is a reason why teams become BOTs after a period of time : race-participation, inactive teams do not enter races which in certain cases make other teams lose money. And like usual we (me and EG) can not access the code. I decided about a year ago to recover old managers and send to them emails telling that if they wanted to come back they will have the team back, was a decision to help the game surviving and we will keep doing that. I already reactivate several teams and some twice because for some reason they become bot again. Some teams had good financial health and keep it, but others don't and we reset the finances to positive numbers. We cannot control everything and we don't have tools/time to do that but we still fight for a clean game. ... Related to the transfers there were in the past problems and there will be in the future, but related to the buys of EGV I don't see nothing wrong, if he seems fair to pay that ammount for some 18y who am I to judge, and I also saw managers trying to take advantage of that placing 18y at 1 million. We cannot satisfy everyone and we know we aren't perfects but what we do is to keep the game alive. totally agree with all this, so our choice is clear. Some will disagree, but like he said it isn't possible to keep everybody happy.
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Post by Genomico on May 2, 2016 23:30:53 GMT 1
Almost at the beginning of last season i sell a young cyclist 18 yo, TL3 with excellent characteristics for 400.000 to Schizm, Giovanni Battista Rossetto 131929, very better than a lot of 18 yo bought at 1.000.000, 2.000.000, 3.000.000, but for me 400.000 I think it was the right price I've seen 18y old cyclists being sold for 800.00 and 1.000.000 without I've been bidding on them, so apparently prices changed.
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Post by roller on May 3, 2016 9:12:16 GMT 1
I am one of those members who anticipated on EGV's eagerness to buy 18y's. I just restarted myself but in my case I decided to start again with a complete new team. I have to build a completely new team and when I saw that I could make some big money on selling one of my 18 year olds I decided to do that. In fact another one is on the market. I see only a win win situation because I could make some good money and EGV and others are able to buy some talented young cyclists. The only problem about the restart of EGV was that he had both his old money as his new cyclists. But he fixed that himself if I read it correctly. So since that problem is solved and he only had his stuff (money) from his old team I dont see any problems? It's a win-win situation only for the seller (the buyer has already "gained" his dirty money...). It's an unfair situation for all other users (teams that played regulary and had not that amount of money, and teams that are in your division and now have to compete with a reacher opponent [2nd hand unfair advantage] and so on...) The problem is that all of you wan't to immagine what could happen. Take a loke at division 6.2 Division 6.2 Cyclists F H M D S TT Fit € Sk St/Ba P € Buy Average Sell Average Total DE STILLE STOEMPERS (10233) 23 18-28 0 0 0 0 15 0 0 48062 NO NO NO 0 134967 7939 0 0 -134967 S.C. SANBENEDETTESE (10196) 26 19-37 10 0 0 0 0 0 0 25294 NO NO NO 0 320692 13943 0 0 -320692 TEAM SCHLECK (10248) 32 19-26 0 0 11 0 0 0 0 20605 NO NO NO 0 34808 1933 0 0 -34808 ANDALUCÍA - SIERRA MORENA (10246) 12 18-24 NO NO NO NO NO NO NO 0 NO NO NO 0 0 0 0 0 0 WOKINGHAM WOMBATS (10255) 12 18-24 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 4394 0 0 3 2544 0 0 0 0 0 RODE DUYVELS (10266) 12 18-24 NO NO NO NO NO NO NO 0 NO NO NO 0 0 0 0 0 0 NASSAU CYCLE TEAM (10263) 12 18-24 NO NO NO NO NO NO NO 0 NO NO NO 0 0 0 0 0 0 EQUIPE À GRANDE VITESSE (161) 6 18-19 17 0 15 0 15 16 0 243970 11 10 12 59121 7066550 1413310 1210 1210 -7065340 CANDATI (10258) 12 18-24 NO NO NO NO NO NO NO 0 NO NO NO 0 0 0 0 0 0 I VICHINGHI (10208) 16 18-28 NO NO NO NO NO NO NO 0 NO NO NO 0 40020 10005 0 0 -40020 GLI SCIACALLI (10199) 16 19-36 NO NO NO NO NO NO NO 0 NO NO NO 0 377500 94375 0 0 -377500 LIERSE TRAPPERS (10271) 13 18-24 6 0 0 0 0 0 0 7582 NO NO NO 0 5000 5000 0 0 -5000 6.2.xlsx (10.74 KB) I attached a file .xòs that is more clearly to understand. Underlined teams are without coachesIs that fair for other teams? Do you fell that they'll still play this game for a long time?
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Post by ElGringo on May 3, 2016 15:54:59 GMT 1
roller didn't understand what do you want to prove and I don't believe you are at current about whats happens in all divisions 6.
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Post by Quatannens on May 6, 2016 23:06:14 GMT 1
I think it's very strange that you can get your team back in the lowest possible division with all your old cash. I got my team back because I lost it after less than a month (the contracts I made were 4 weeks old when I got my team back and I already tried it a week earlier without succes). For me it's very easy: If you login to keep your team, you keep it. If you don't, well you loose it and you restart again.
The best possible thing to do now is to loose your team every month and get new cyclists (Genomico got them for some reason, I didn't). You sell the cyclists and loose your team again.
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Post by roller on May 11, 2016 8:58:58 GMT 1
Division 6.2 Cyclists F H M D S TT Fit € Sk St/Ba P € Buy Average Sell Average Total Last login DE STILLE STOEMPERS (10233) 24 18-34 0 0 0 0 15 0 0 48062 NO NO NO 0 134977 7498 0 0 -134977 11-mag TEAM SCHLECK (10248) 22 19-26 0 0 11 0 0 0 0 20605 NO NO NO 0 34828 1791 93577 46788 58749 11-mag ANDALUCÍA - SIERRA MORENA (10246) 12 18-24 NO NO NO NO NO NO NO 0 NO NO NO 0 0 0 0 0 0 none WOKINGHAM WOMBATS (10255) 13 18-24 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 5189 1 0 3 2658 0 0 0 0 0 10-mag RODE DUYVELS (10266) 12 18-24 NO NO NO NO NO NO NO 0 NO NO NO 0 0 0 0 0 0 28-apr NASSAU CYCLE TEAM (10263) 12 18-24 NO NO NO NO NO NO NO 0 NO NO NO 0 0 0 0 0 0 none EQUIPE À GRANDE VITESSE (161) 7 18 18 0 15 0 15 16 0 265382 11 10 13 65887 10716550 1530935,714 2210 1105 -10714340 10-mag CANDATI (10258) 12 18-24 NO NO NO NO NO NO NO 0 NO NO NO 0 0 0 0 0 0 25-apr I VICHINGHI (10208) 16 18-28 NO NO NO NO NO NO NO 0 NO NO NO 0 40020 10005 0 0 -40020 none GLI SCIACALLI (10199) 16 19-36 NO NO NO NO NO NO NO 0 NO NO NO 0 377500 94375 0 0 -377500 none LIERSE TRAPPERS (10271) 18 18-29 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 9245 NO NO NO 0 16750 2791 0 0 -16750 11-mag TEAM CITY (10273) NEW 13 18-24 5 0 0 0 4 4 0 10013 NO NO NO 0 10 10 0 0 -10 11-mag S.C. SANBENEDETTESE (10196) Cancelled (unless the coach asks the team back in the future…) 19-37 10 0 0 0 0 0 0 25294 NO NO NO 0 320692 13943 0 0 -320692 I can't post the table. Take a look at the file attached. In the last week the division 6.2 lost 1 team, replaced from a new one and another team lost his coach (Nassau). 6.2.xlsx (17.73 KB)
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Post by Schizm on May 11, 2016 21:04:46 GMT 1
And this is so much different from other (sixth) divisions or other weeks ? I fail to see any relation with EGV's return.
(Look you have a valid point if you state that he should have started in a higher division with other teams that have similar experiencelevels, but the restart isnt in question)
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Post by roller on May 12, 2016 10:22:31 GMT 1
And this is so much different from other (sixth) divisions or other weeks ? I fail to see any relation with EGV's return. I don't care about other divisions. I'm just watching at division 6.2 and how is it running. You are a moderator and a "developer" of the game, I'm only a player, I have the opportunity to focus on only 1 team and/or one division. You'd focus on the full game. I can't explain better my ideas and if you don't see the relation is probably my foult. I'm sure there is a problem. Probably you can find another team in division 6 that can pay 260k+ to staff. Is it normal to have such expensive trainer? Are other teams happy to compete with an opponent like this? (Look you have a valid point if you state that he should have started in a higher division with other teams that have similar experiencelevels, but the restart isnt in question) Have I ever complained about the restart? I think every coach have the right to restart to play the game. Reloading the team (with all the money back after 2+ years) is a different question. I don't think it is correct, you do. I disagree with your ideas and your decisions. I still think it is an illegal team.
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Post by Genomico on May 12, 2016 17:34:12 GMT 1
Useless discussion as I'm not even gonna compete seriously in the Division. Just to give my youngsters some experience.
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Post by ElGringo on May 13, 2016 8:26:28 GMT 1
No need to hurry roller, all teams will be promoted to div 5 For some seasons we always promote all teams from div 6 to fill div 5 because there isn't enough players in div 5.
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Post by roller on May 20, 2016 15:43:08 GMT 1
No need to hurry roller , all teams will be promoted to div 5 For some seasons we always promote all teams from div 6 to fill div 5 because there isn't enough players in div 5. I'm not hurrying. I just don't wanna staying on the side thinking not my problem just becouse the doped team is not in my division. And promoting all the teams from 6.x to 5.x won't solve the problem. If they'll not be able to compete on equal terms in this division I cannot imagine how they could in the upper one. Bt the way I add an updated file. 6.2.xlsx (19.39 KB)
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Post by Quatannens on May 20, 2016 16:31:13 GMT 1
Useless discussion as I'm not even gonna compete seriously in the Division. Just to give my youngsters some experience. I think it's a very interesting discussion, but it's not if we just focus on one team. There should be one clear method of working that is fair to everyone and applied to all teams.
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Post by ElGringo on May 20, 2016 17:02:56 GMT 1
Useless discussion as I'm not even gonna compete seriously in the Division. Just to give my youngsters some experience. I think it's a very interesting discussion, but it's not if we just focus on one team. There should be one clear method of working that is fair to everyone and applied to all teams. Quatannens, Genomico restarted with the old team without riders, I was the one that gave him some riders, but after a conversation with him I remove all riders and the riders he was now is because he bought or scout. The possibility of managers get old teams was my decision with the objective to recover the number of managers we had in the past. You also become bot and I gave your team back and I will do it for all managers. Last week I helped another team that become bot and wanted to restart witht he same team, I reactivate the team and gave him conditions to restart. Putting Genomico team in div 5 or 6 is the same because both divisions have problems with the number of managers playing and we just keep div 6 working because of the new managers to have the opportunity to win stages but even that way many of them quit playing because of the lack of competition, get borring. The Genomico case is like many of ohers that I deal, the only fact that people is talking is because he was a lot of money. I think if people are interested in helping the game and keep it alive the better way to help it is by helping new teams from the same country, like a mentor, be a mentor of 1 or 2 teams that is starting, that would be a better way to help the game, but some only speak when something isn't in their favour. We try to do all well but we aren't perfect. If we do 10 things 9 of them well and 1 bad is just because we are humans, not perfect machines.
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