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Post by joachim1107 on Mar 29, 2016 8:04:21 GMT 1
Week 3: Nr | Team | Wins | GC | PJ | MJ | Points | Pt Wk | Wk Rank | Rank diff | 1 | Low Budget Cycling | 3 | | | 1 | 1026 | 199 | 5 | | 2 | Evcont | 3 | | 1 | 1 | 864 | 275 | 2 | | 3 | De Kasseienstoempers | 6 | | 1 | 2 | 763 | 278 | 1 | | 4 | P&P Runners | 3 | | 1 | | 616 | 192 | 6 | | 5 | Melres United | | 1 | 1 | | 525 | 102 | 10 | | 6 | heroes | | 1 | | | 447 | 32 | 12 | | 7 | joachim1107 | 2 | | | | 417 | 126 | 8 | | 8 | The Mothers of Invention | | 2 | | | 416 | 241 | 4 | 1 | 9 | ASA FUN | 1 | | | | 416 | 244 | 3 | -1 | 10 | Trapper123 | | | | | 274 | 153 | 7 | 2 | 11 | R.Antwerp B.C | | | | | 242 | 111 | 9 | -1 | 12 | Tours.Cycle.Club | | | | | 214 | 93 | 11 | -1 |
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Post by Ab Normaal on Mar 29, 2016 8:36:21 GMT 1
Thanks Joachim! Exactly there where I want to be at the end of the season
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Post by joachim1107 on Mar 29, 2016 9:01:36 GMT 1
I'm also happy with my 7th place. Although I'm only one point ahaid of the 9th place. But I didn't expect to have won 2 races allready
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Post by danpark on Mar 29, 2016 12:16:57 GMT 1
Well, if everyone else is happy with their place, we can quit now, I'm ok like this too!
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Post by ElGringo on Mar 30, 2016 12:42:19 GMT 1
I have a 26 year-old too fighting to get more points than he got last season (5). Everyone seems to try changing generations those days. I am wondering what happened with ElGringo - he has been so active on this topic, and now, he is completely absent. Lack of time to chek the forum nothing more, but I am always available in game
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Post by negru on Mar 30, 2016 12:57:59 GMT 1
Well, if everyone else is happy with their place, we can quit now, I'm ok like this too! Not everyone is happy with their place, me included. So we have to continue until the end of the season.
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Post by Ab Normaal on Mar 30, 2016 15:44:10 GMT 1
Avoid promotion will be difficult for you I guess. PP is already 300 points behind. The others even more.
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Post by negru on Mar 30, 2016 20:25:52 GMT 1
Avoid promotion will be difficult for you I guess. PP is already 300 points behind. The others even more. It looks to be complicated indeed. What actually disturbed me is so many teams selling their riders. As usually i donțt follow at all the transfer market, maybe it was the same in the past, but now it seems awkwardȘ El Gringo, Schizm, Slayer, Semtex and others. Which means it is an inflation of cyclist on the market, i donțt believe that i would sell at good prices the ones which are on my list of not interesting any more. Second, it is just week four, and yes, i have too many points in front of the others. I dislike the idea of starting to abort races from week four, i also loose money doing this. OK, the beginning of the season has more flat races and it looks like i still have a good enough flat base team. But still.... I think that i have some possibilities: - with teams forfeiting division 1, i may find a warm spot in division 1, around place 7-8, to avoid relegation. It would mean more money from supporters, less money from the races and not such a good mood for the cyclists. But i might survive there more relaxed compared with the past. If i had money, which i don't, it would have been a nice occasion of one time hit for winning division 1. But given i don't have money, no chance. - the younger cyclists still have at least three seasons until maturity, and even at that point, it is debatable if they can win against older ones. For example, Puscasu still has three good season to be king of the flat, even if i have in the team a really good younger cyclist. But it's hard to match. Given this, probably three seasons from now, it would still be more lucrative to purchase old cyclists than train hard younger ones, in terms of results - another possibility would be to keep a very small squad of good enough cyclists with not so high wages to make as much money as possible. Reduce the costs to maximum, maximise the profit. Probably is the best idea, i just don't enjoy it too much, i don't know why.I don't feel in this game you earn a lot from training hard, and you run the risk of a very low FA, which makes planning not entirely possible. Ideas, ideas, i cannot decide which should be the way, unfortunately in this game i never planned ahead, as it was never known if next season will be there or not. I just play for the next race. Now i want to plan ahead, but i can' yet change the set of mind. We'll see, but the idea of playing just youngsters from week 4 is no fun for me.
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Post by rarau on Mar 31, 2016 9:21:08 GMT 1
I just play for the next race => like me now )) And i wanted to make Parasca king of mountains.
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Post by Ab Normaal on Mar 31, 2016 11:56:10 GMT 1
Negru
My analisys: in 1:1 Droeftoeters, Nightbiker and Franconia will not sell a lot of their old cyclist, so riding podium will be very hard there. Slayer and Schizm will relegate for sure. For the other two spots, there are a lot of candidates. PAN will be too strong for your team I guess. And I have absolutely no clue what the plans of Rats and GSc are. They have very strong teams, but somehow I have the feeling that they don't play the game at their top level at the moment.
So it is possible that you could be safe in 1:1 for a few seasons, true. Riders like Puscasu will be competitive until they are 38 I guess. So there are still a few seasond ahead for them.
A lot of teams now decide to sell their oldies and go for youngsters, whick makes these youngsters expensive on the transfer market. And true, it takes a very long time for them to be competitive. I have Gommers in my time since he was 18. He is now 27 and it will take him at least three more seasons to be competitive. That means that I then have paid him 12(!) seasons salary and he only earned money when he was 20. By the time he earns money for me, his salary wil be very high.
I still have about 10 older cyclists in my team. They win races and earn money. I sold almost all my original riders from my championship season because their wage and bonusses are now too high and replaced them for others, who were on the market.
So that is now my strategy. I don't train these older cyclist, I have 25 younger ones I train and I sell or fire the older ones halfway next season. And then in season 16, my new generation has to take over.
It is true that it takes a lot of money to find out if the cyclist has a good FA on the skill you want. But if not, you can still sell him for a good price.
So you should think about your future. Your top cyclists are worthless if they are 36 and if you don't have money, you are, by then, not capable of buying promising young ones.
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Post by danpark on Mar 31, 2016 18:49:30 GMT 1
Nice analisys! And that's why my team will collapse: no riders under 30yo, only some mediocre 20yo for U20 races, no money. I could sell my best riders now, but then? There's only a few good riders on the market now and then, it will take ages to rebuild a strong team both through transfermarket or training, so I'll stick with mine and try to promote sooner or later, just to be in first division once, but with no expectations to win anything. Of course with proper planning in the previous seasons the situation could have been better, but now it's too late.
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Post by Ab Normaal on Mar 31, 2016 19:11:25 GMT 1
Nice analisys! And that's why my team will collapse: no riders under 30yo, only some mediocre 20yo for U20 races, no money. I could sell my best riders now, but then? There's only a few good riders on the market now and then, it will take ages to rebuild a strong team both through transfermarket or training, so I'll stick with mine and try to promote sooner or later, just to be in first division once, but with no expectations to win anything. Of course with proper planning in the previous seasons the situation could have been better, but now it's too late. For you it is the same. You could be in first division for a few seasons. Evcont, Zapardiel, Tossboom, Husker Du, Beter Laat Dan Nooit. you are all sort of the same strength. You can all have great fight for place 5-12 in 1:1 Make sure to earn money and then point out a future plan.
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Post by negru on Mar 31, 2016 22:50:20 GMT 1
Ab,
Regarding your analysis, i reckon Franconia, Nightbiker and Droeftoeters have the first three spots. PAN and GsC are also powerfull. But this leaves three more open spots to fight for. I'm not saying i'm good enough for that, but maybe there is a chance. I know my place is between the first three spots in second div and last four spots in the first div. This is where i actually am.
Regardng riders like Puscasu, he is 31 now. Based on your own estimation, he has at least 5 more seasons at top level. This is a lot, if you think about it.
You changed strategy earlier than all others, and this gives you an important advantage. For all the others, who are changing the strategy in the same time, no advantage, they will keep their places and this is it. At least this is how i see it.
Regarding the purchase of a cyclist at 18, and training him for 10 seasons, a basic estimate will say you pay at least 1.6 mil on him, without transfer value, just salary, until he starts producing. You might be able after 10 season to buy directly that cyclist for that money. And how many will actually be stars? Is it workable. I am in your situation with Landa, who is 26 and really a great FA in flat (comparable with Puscasu), but it was pure luck with him, nothing else, and still not making money out of him. Ok, probably i could sell him at a good price now, but even that is debatable.
And in your analysis, there is more thing to take in consideration. That you constantly check the transfer list, buy and sell. Not everybody does this, or at least not me.
In the end, as any other game, it is more an economical game than something else. If you are able to have a lot of money, you will have results. The question is how to get money. Training is not a great solution, and i already said why, or at least not without being active on the transfer list. Transfer list might be a solution, but with the low number of active players, it is also questionable. Therefore, where would it be?
I started to consider a stranger solution. I did not make real calculations, but seems better than others. And that would be to keep some old cyclists with decent wages and fair results, keep some more cyclists with very low wages in order to be able to participate to tours and not loose supporters, and fire the trainer. Only from the trainer you have an economy of 3.5 millions. If the cyclists you keep are good enough, they will get results at least two seasons from now. And if you also are active on the transfer list to replace your cyclists with other old cheap ones with good results you could also gain some money from races bonuses and so on. What do you think about this idea? I'm curious
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Post by Ab Normaal on Mar 31, 2016 23:22:41 GMT 1
I will react properly tomorrow. First thought: not a bad idea. But I would only keep a trainer with 1 skill only: fitness 15. That will be a cheap trainer ($48.062) and then all your good cyclist gain 35% fitness every week, which gives you better results and more money.
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Post by negru on Apr 1, 2016 8:31:18 GMT 1
Or keep the trainer with 15 on a skill. The cyslists with small wages train them in that skill, check the FA after 7, and make some money from the sales. There are many possibilities.
It's a pity that in the end it's all about the money, but is is more or less so.
Anyway i have to start selling.
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