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Post by maxz on Dec 4, 2015 17:56:28 GMT 1
no man, u can clearly see in the last elite Granato (65%) lost 10' from Christmann (100%) who was his helper... that's impossible unless the fit counts, i assure you there is a big difference in mountain skill between them, over 4 points in favour of Granato, also Colombo (75%) finished behind with a similar skillset. this is only because starting fitness, my tactics was setted as they all start with 100% but they weren't. I can remember this changed with the peloton v2 and was the reason i didnt subscrive to funrace anymore. also in the U20 i noticed similar ciclysts had big difference in results due to different starting fit. Max I will check that. I notice also that the gaps were to big. Nikeboy told me that he would put in fun races that all rider start with 100% fitness oh thx mate, it'll be really appreciate I like funraces, but if fit doesnt counts...
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Post by maxz on Dec 4, 2015 18:03:02 GMT 1
I hope this is only in funraces, not in normal races? Happens in normal races unfortunately when 2 riders attack in the first two attacking points. and is it possible also with only one rider attacking (i mean in the entire race not only in the single AP)? it's the impression i had today with Schnittjer... but on the otherside it worked with marietto so i don't really know, but this is what i thought watching the report..... another question about the race report: it is supposed to see all attacks noticed in every point or is normal we don't see most of the attacks noticed in RR? thx again mate, really appreciate your effort
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Post by tossboom on Dec 4, 2015 20:45:03 GMT 1
I hope this is only in funraces, not in normal races? Happens in normal races unfortunately when 2 riders attack in the first two attacking points. Good to know but should have known much earlier. This will cost you points this season Helder...
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Post by ElGringo on Dec 4, 2015 21:26:20 GMT 1
Happens in normal races unfortunately when 2 riders attack in the first two attacking points. Good to know but should have known much earlier. This will cost you points this season Helder... I don't have access to the code, this is my impression about the race engine but I gess that other managers came to the same conclusion as I.
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Post by eboese on Dec 4, 2015 21:29:02 GMT 1
EG, is this really confirmed? Or are you just saying this based on your own observations? I don't run into this issue at all, so I have a hard time believing it's true. I have done the double attack on several occasions, also this season, and I see no problems. For me it was never more than a myth, created by people who didn't get the result they wanted, so I would really like to understand if there's some actual proof for this.
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Post by punkska on Dec 4, 2015 23:36:12 GMT 1
So for clarification the issue is supposed to be 2 x attacks with 2 x riders in the first 2 att pts? (4 atts total).
I'm sure I've done this a fair bit and don't recall an issue, but these days I rarely watch the report. I've not noticed my 2nd rider having poor results though...
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Post by Ab Normaal on Dec 4, 2015 23:49:50 GMT 1
I know for sure that if you attack with a GC rider on 75% and a stage hunter on 100% at the first attackpoint, this affects the attack of the stage hunter. he will not be in the first group.
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Post by eboese on Dec 5, 2015 0:01:37 GMT 1
I don't think that's true as well. Just take the first race of the Tour of Oman as an example. Ponsteen @ 100%, Gonnissen @ 75%. Ponsteen made the first group. I still think most of these theories are a result of people not getting the desired outcomes in a race and then they start looking for reasons behind that. I will pay more attention to it though, but I'm not convinced. I do suggest people only attack with one rider going forward, that will make things easier for me
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Post by Ab Normaal on Dec 5, 2015 0:22:32 GMT 1
I don't think that's true as well. Just take the first race of the Tour of Oman as an example. Ponsteen @ 100%, Gonnissen @ 75%. Ponsteen made the first group. I still think most of these theories are a result of people not getting the desired outcomes in a race and then they start looking for reasons behind that. I will pay more attention to it though, but I'm not convinced. I do suggest people only attack with one rider going forward, that will make things easier for me It happened to a few managers. Things that can't be clarified because of that. If, on a flat part, my flat 15, sprint 13 doesn't make it into the first group, and he always does when he is my only rider attacking, than I think it is the case. I don't think there are a lot riders better for a flat attack than flat 15, sprint 13.
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Post by ElGringo on Dec 6, 2015 12:42:26 GMT 1
EG, is this really confirmed? Or are you just saying this based on your own observations? I don't run into this issue at all, so I have a hard time believing it's true. I have done the double attack on several occasions, also this season, and I see no problems. For me it was never more than a myth, created by people who didn't get the result they wanted, so I would really like to understand if there's some actual proof for this. This is my observation. Happened to many times with me. The same 2 riders attacking in the 1st and 2nd attacking point. In the secound attack point one doesn't attack.
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Post by eboese on Dec 6, 2015 13:48:50 GMT 1
Again no problems for me in the last 2 days. Not with the double attack and also not with the 100/75% scenario. My riders must be really special Didn't win by the way, but that was due to falls and other riders/tactics just being better, not due to any bug.
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Post by maxz on Dec 10, 2015 11:39:07 GMT 1
Again no problems for me in the last 2 days. Not with the double attack and also not with the 100/75% scenario. My riders must be really special Didn't win by the way, but that was due to falls and other riders/tactics just being better, not due to any bug. yep, i agree, can't see any bug, but sometimes I have some doubts. btw the funraces still counts fitness %
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Post by eboese on Dec 10, 2015 22:01:40 GMT 1
Yeah, the fitness thing is pretty clear I think, it definitely counts.
Still didn't have any attack issues though, in the Giro de Sardegna it all seemed perfect. Anybody else that did have issues in one of the recent races? Would love to see some example to understand the issue better. I'm looking to do another double attack on Saturday myself, let's see.
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Post by ElGringo on Dec 11, 2015 13:13:54 GMT 1
I'm still working in the fitness problem. I am speaking with IP about that.
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Post by ElGringo on Dec 18, 2015 19:34:45 GMT 1
Still no news about the fitness.
I created a new stage for christmas week without attacking points.
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