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Post by bosko on Aug 12, 2015 12:41:34 GMT 1
Giro d'Italia. First big tour of the year. The first race was almost completely flat and no attack points, so I thought an easy and unimportant race. But in one way or another, my best GC rider succeeds to fall and is injured for 3 weeks. Bummer... The next race is a Team Time Trial. Am I going to lose time because I have only 4 riders? On the wikipage I found that the average is taken, so I guess I'm "lucky" there? In theory that means that you can win a team time trial with 1 rider?
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Post by Mike on Aug 12, 2015 13:22:20 GMT 1
It's something like this:
1 riders -50% 2 riders -30% 3 riders +/- 0% 4 riders +30% 5 riders +50%
the percentages are not right but it is a fact that you should participate with at least 3 riders in any stage, with less than 3 you loose a certain percentage
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Post by Poekie on Aug 12, 2015 13:25:36 GMT 1
That sucks bosko!
There is a funrace today, a TTT with weird restrictions. My team has two riders, so they should be beaten with a large margin by the five riders of Team Lotto RO.
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Post by bosko on Aug 12, 2015 14:13:05 GMT 1
In the funrace, using the estimated values of Mike, you will be riding at +-70% and Team Lotto RO at +-150%. But as you are in division 3 and Team Lotto in division 6 (started only 1 week ago), I think it's possible that your riders are much better and can still win. I don't think it's possible to make any conclusions out of this funrace, but we'll see. For this giro, we'll see what happens friday. If I don't lose much time, I'll see if my mountain guy can ride a good GC, otherwise I guess I better concentrate on race wins.
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Post by chakra on Aug 12, 2015 17:13:43 GMT 1
Giro d'Italia. First big tour of the year. The first race was almost completely flat and no attack points, so I thought an easy and unimportant race. But in one way or another, my best GC rider succeeds to fall and is injured for 3 weeks. Bummer... The next race is a Team Time Trial. Am I going to lose time because I have only 4 riders? On the wikipage I found that the average is taken, so I guess I'm "lucky" there? In theory that means that you can win a team time trial with 1 rider? I'm afraid not. For the TeamRanking you need at least 3 cyclist to be in it. The team time is an average of minimum 3 cyclists. So I assume this is the same for a TTT. You need at least 3 brave cyclists to cross the final line.
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Post by Poekie on Aug 12, 2015 17:33:50 GMT 1
The restrictions didn't allow me to select any good riders
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Post by bam on Aug 12, 2015 18:02:56 GMT 1
I as well used to think the average time was taken (like mentioned in the Wiki), but I once tried to put in only one cyclist in a funrace. The result on the finish (only 22km): last on more than 6 minutes of the winner and nearly two and a halve minute behind the before last team. So you can put in only 1 cyclist, but I won't recommend to do it
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Post by wheelnut on Aug 13, 2015 9:02:20 GMT 1
I am confused from the various answers and guess I want to know how to position my riders for the TTT in the Veulta not the fun race...
So I have all five riders and have set (currently) varying percentage levels according to their TT skills. I want my GC guy to come out not too far down on time as his TT skill is not the best but his other skills mean he has a chance at the GC.
One rider previously went all out to win the flat stage (came 2nd) described by the OP. So he is down to 65% so he does not affect the team performance too much I put him on 100% again which will knacker him for the rest of the tour!
the others vary from 75% to 85% depending on their TT (for lower skill level I put them a corresponding higher intensity to compensate).
It occurs to me if the statement about the best three riders counting then the guy on 65% can take it easy and I can pick the best three TT skilled riders and put them on the higher intensity? Is this right?
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Post by bam on Aug 13, 2015 9:20:09 GMT 1
No, all riders get the same time, so you should not just count on your best three riders. Some sort of average will be taken, probably with a "bonus" for more riders in the team/"penalty" for a team with only a few riders. Therefore, more effort will help to get a better time, but keep in mind it's only the second race. After the TTT there is still a lot of time to be won, so I would recommend to have at least your GC guy fit again for next week. However, if you really want to go for the pink jersey, I guess you should put your 65% guy on high efforts. And if you lose too much time, you can always try to go for stages.
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Post by wheelnut on Aug 13, 2015 15:13:48 GMT 1
Thanks bam,
That was pretty much my original thinking...I am going for pink but if it does not scan out then as you suggest go for individual stages.
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Post by bosko on Aug 18, 2015 9:18:21 GMT 1
After losing my GC rider in the first stage, now I lost my team leader due to training injury... I thought this was a little disaster, 9 races to go with 3 riders and no team leader (few attack possibilities). However, when I want to change my tactics, my team leader is still there (with an * before his name) and I can still use him. Is this normal or a bug?
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Post by Mike on Aug 18, 2015 9:20:27 GMT 1
It's normal, Team leader skill stays in tact so you don't loose tactics because of him dropping out. It's NOT normal that you can let's say let him attack or something. That would be a bug.
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Post by Schizm on Aug 18, 2015 10:54:24 GMT 1
After losing my GC rider in the first stage, now I lost my team leader due to training injury... I thought this was a little disaster, 9 races to go with 3 riders and no team leader (few attack possibilities). However, when I want to change my tactics, my team leader is still there (with an * before his name) and I can still use him. Is this normal or a bug? Like Mike says , you should still be able to use his LS-points, so maybe that is why you can still see him ? But if he still appears in today's results or the simulation crashes in your division then him still being there is a bug for sure.
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Post by bosko on Aug 18, 2015 12:28:29 GMT 1
Indeed. He didn't race. So the only bug is the fact that I'm still able to set tactics for him (which would be stupid, cause thrown away tactic points). Glad that I can still use his LS-points .
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Post by bosko on Aug 18, 2015 12:42:38 GMT 1
I see now that for the next races, his name is gone, but I still have his tactic points. So it's only the first race after injury a small bug.
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