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Post by wheelnut on Jul 16, 2015 8:16:59 GMT 1
is there a acceptable level of ledaership skill for a rider to be deemed a good leader? I have an 8, 5 and three others at 4; is this enough?
I do run out of points when trying for multiple objectives (i.e. stage wins, GC, point competition etc).
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Post by rarau on Jul 16, 2015 8:29:31 GMT 1
is there a acceptable level of ledaership skill for a rider to be deemed a good leader? I have an 8, 5 and three others at 4; is this enough? I do run out of points when trying for multiple objectives (i.e. stage wins, GC, point competition etc). I have 16, 12 , 8 , 5 The cyclist with 16 plays on 80-90% of races The cyclist with 12 plays on 10-15% of races The cyclist with 8 plays only 1-3 races per season On juniors I have LS 3 For me is not enough 16 LS on big tours 16+5=21 LS points 5*2=10 => remain only 11p i wanted to remain 14p for having 3 with Save fitness and one helper
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Post by tossboom on Jul 16, 2015 9:12:32 GMT 1
Off course not many teams have a leader 16 or more. For you a (preferably two) leader with 9 or 10 is sufficient, also because you can find them on the TL and are cheap. Just look at 30+ riders and check their LS. Off course you have to set your objectives at every race, go for stage wins or the GC.
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Post by Schizm on Jul 16, 2015 10:03:48 GMT 1
I have a 22, a 15 and a 5 LS, I try to use the 5 as much I can because he is the youngest ofcourse he isnt really suited for (big) tours. So most of the time I pick him for one-day-races and ofcourse all U21.
I also prefer using the 15 for tours over the 22, they are the same age but while the highest already gives enough tactical option the other still can improve, so using the 22 a lot seems a bit like a waste of valuable leadership experience.
What I try to tell is that you have to choose wisely , you can buy a older leader with 10 or higher Leadership that gives you some options in the tactics, (and like rarau says only when he starts getting around 20 LS you will enjoy (almost) complete freedom of tactical options) but using him also means wasting valuable experience for the man that could be your future leader.
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Post by newborn on Jul 16, 2015 10:38:36 GMT 1
my leaders are 11, 10, 8, 7 and 6
Problem with my riders is that they are all very good riders so I need them to give me good results and I can't just put them everytime as my leader just to improve my tactics...
I think LS 11 gives me possibilities, but not enough. For my ideal tours I need leadership 17 I guess, but then it would be very easy and now some calculating makes it interesting :-)
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Post by punkska on Jul 16, 2015 11:48:53 GMT 1
Leaders with 15+ and Schizm has 2 . I have an 11 and three 9s. I say 9 is the minimum really. I guess I could do with a better one!
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Post by wheelnut on Jul 16, 2015 12:25:19 GMT 1
wow so 8 as my top leader is too light! he is is 31 already so i need to plan for the future.
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Post by chakra on Jul 26, 2015 15:19:34 GMT 1
wow so 8 as my top leader is too light! he is is 31 already so i need to plan for the future. Just a tip: LS skills pop after approx 35 stages being a leader. Some after 32 others after 38 races. I noticed one of my cyclist popping in LS nevertheless he never has been leader, but very often as Cyclist 1. I don't know if this is normal. You can put your highest or higher leaders as the leader in every stage at 70%. After 1 season his skill will be +2
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Post by Schizm on Jul 26, 2015 16:16:16 GMT 1
wow so 8 as my top leader is too light! he is is 31 already so i need to plan for the future. Just a tip: LS skills pop after approx 35 stages being a leader. Some after 32 others after 38 races. I noticed one of my cyclist popping in LS nevertheless he never has been leader, but very often as Cyclist 1. I don't know if this is normal. You can put your highest or higher leaders as the leader in every stage at 70%. After 1 season his skill will be +2
I think those differences are mistakes in your spreadsheer (depending on the decimals it should happen every 33 or 34 races), als note that in a TTT everybody gains leadership.
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Post by chakra on Jul 26, 2015 16:33:56 GMT 1
Aha, that is something new for me. Thanks for the info.
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