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Post by Poekie on Jun 22, 2015 13:50:44 GMT 1
How are your programming skills berdios?
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Post by berdios on Jun 23, 2015 7:57:21 GMT 1
Well atm not great, cuz I did additional studies in Management its all a little rusty. But I normally start training as an developer .net in the next few weeks/months.
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Post by Poekie on Jun 23, 2015 10:56:17 GMT 1
Alas I have no clue if .net knowledge is helpful. Anyone knows? Or in what language the game is written?
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Post by crosljam2 on Jun 25, 2015 13:24:36 GMT 1
I've just read through this thread and there are lots of good ideas - i don't have the skillset to do anything on the programming side, but i'm happy to bounce ideas off. I'm also happy with purchasing shares/funding method that is agreed.
In terms of some of the suggestions - i think its a balance between encouraging new teams to join and stay because they can improve, whilst not alienating long term managers from lots of sudden changes to how things work.
The key ingredient for me is getting the money side right - long term managers have lots of assets, in cyclists that have improved and they can sell if required
Any changes we make, for example younger cyclist train quicker (which i like - i used to play hattrick), the current managers will have more money to then buy what is on the transfer market.
But likewise if we suddenly say 30 yr cyclists are over the hill,that will chop out a massive area from most existing managers resources and could lead a load to say its not worth bothering. Set it at 36 - or even go for Jens at 40 - but set a level that people can plan to without immediately effecting them
I think we need to boost the ability of the new teams to catch up.
Maybe we could do something with sponsership, that the first sponsorship deal gives you a large cash lump sum to play with, or maybe you get an "ex-procyclist" as a trainer who is willing to give his first 2 years at a heavily discounted rate (or a sliding scale over 3 seasons) - allowing new managers to train at closer to the speed existing ones can.
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Post by punkska on Jun 25, 2015 13:37:08 GMT 1
I like that last idea. I don't really see a reason why the trainer set up costs should be so high for new teams. But it'd need to be done in a way that established teams aren't able to swap trainers easily / cheaply.
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Post by berdios on Jun 26, 2015 7:42:07 GMT 1
Well, this could be done by: 1. Contract time, the better the trainer the longer he will want a contract and you have to pay it in full if you fire him. 2. Golden parachute for trainers, if you fire a trainer it will cost you money to. 3. Trainer wage/fee depends on division to, and not only skill. ...
So new teams can train like 1 or 2 skills for a few seasons till the have the money to fire/buy a new one.
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Post by Poekie on Jun 26, 2015 13:01:09 GMT 1
It's better to discuss ideas like this in a seperate thread. I think at the moment IP is the only one who can make changes to the game and he won't do it. That is why this thread was started...
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Post by chakra on Jun 26, 2015 22:00:39 GMT 1
Well said! So how far are we now with the prolongation of the game? What, how, who, when will the needed finances be there to buy the game and keep it existing?
I know there was an idea of sponsoring the game by buying shares. I'm willing to buy some of these shares and many others are too. Just let's hope there will be enough money collected. With ~240 active teams for € 5000,00 is about 25 to 30 euro's each member. And I'm sure there are managers willing to pay more. Of course it can't be an obligation to buy shares to stay in the game.
Is there a working group behind it?Can someone make a brief summary of the situation?
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Post by Ab Normaal on Jun 26, 2015 23:31:35 GMT 1
The situation is simple. The plan is there, we just need more managers to participate. Check my post of April 28 on page 2 of this thread. There I ask people for help. Since then, it is very quiet. I cannot do this alone, or with just a few people.
Only few managers responded.
I need help!!!
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Post by Poekie on Jun 27, 2015 9:16:04 GMT 1
So far we have this list of people who replied here and are (sometimes more or less) willing to help:
CEO ?
Maintainance Schizm ? ?
Programming Kurtinsc Berdios? ?
Finance Negru Newborn? ?
Advertising/promotion Tossboom (or finance) ? ?
Think tank Poekie
Unclear Wheelnut ElGringo Ab Normaal
If there are any mistakes in this list, please correct.
And if you are willing to help but didn't yet clearly say so, please reply!
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Post by Poekie on Jun 27, 2015 9:16:58 GMT 1
By the way, I can maybe (also) do maintainance, but I would need to learn about it.
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Post by Mike on Jun 27, 2015 9:33:41 GMT 1
Think tank Poekie Mike Chakra
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Post by quiller on Jun 27, 2015 12:33:54 GMT 1
I am one of the managers (with different resets in team (names)) from the very beginning. I am very interested to keep this game alive AND to let it grow again. For this I am willing to buy shares... How many : well that depends (how much is needed etc). For the work to be done : also willing to participate. BUT I have no programming skills. The rest I think would be possible (I certainly have the time for it (btw important : i am 43 so mature).
BUT : In my opinion there should be a different medium to discuss everything (with a group of people) because forums are not what they were 10-15 years ago. The time of forums is ending.
So : AB (or who else takes the lead in this : contact me on my email if needed.
grtz Quiller (Peter)
ps : For a medium to talk I have a personal ts server...
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Post by kurtinsc on Jun 27, 2015 16:35:48 GMT 1
I'll just point out that while I have no problem doing programming tasks, I'm not particularly interested in managing anything with this. My job is as a programmer with mostly C#.net at SQL stored procedures (but not web based).
I have to think about the direction of projects constantly and make sure others are doing their jobs right. For me, that's work... and not something I want to do in my spare time.
So if people want to send me tasks and give me the code to modify... I can do that and send it back to them (or install it if given access). But I'm not really interested in the determination of what programming tasks need to be done, working out which people should do what work or even sending e-mails back and forth with people all that much.
Just give me a piece of code, tell me what you want it to do and I'll do it. Coding stuff isn't hard... figuring out how you want the code to work is the hard part.
That being said... I don't even thing worrying about programming is necessary yet. The first priority should probably be keeping the game going as it is... which is the business side and the maintenance of existing processes (daily sims, season end handling, new schedules, etc). Most of that is DB maintenance, not programming. Once you have that stuff working where the game isn't about to be sold, season ends happen quickly and hosting is taken care of into the future... you work at getting new users. And while you're doing that you start looking at game improvements... which is the only point actual programming starts to come into play.
When we are ready to actually try to implement changes to the code to make improvements... I'm ready to go. But I'm going to hang back until then.
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Post by Poekie on Jun 27, 2015 16:47:12 GMT 1
I agree, keeping the game alive (without long breaks between the seasons) should be the highest priority. After that, getting rid of some bugs (for which we needs programmers). If we have a stable game, we can work on changes and improvements.
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