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Post by chakra on Sept 6, 2014 9:13:43 GMT 1
I'm willing to share, why not. I think I can't do any better than the team I subscribed. In these final stages I've got 6cyclists who still have to fullfil their contracts. Among Barzagli and Cimino. Since they are not competitive yet I forgot them a bit. Shame and damned. And it's a bit useless to give them new contracts. Their wages would rise and they have been given a new contract last season or a couple of weeks ago. They will be racing for "fun". For Parigi the average for all 5 cyclists are: flat: 7,2 - sprint 5,8 - TT 7,5 Without those 2 younger ones the flat decreases to 7,0 - TT to 7,1 and sprint increases to 7,4
Considering your averages, it seems I'm not going to win this final stage. LOL
I wonder if heppie wants to share his avg. Up to july he trained flat 20 and hill 17. From 13 july on he changed his trainer to mountain and downhil with some sprint and TT.
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Post by joachim1107 on Sept 6, 2014 12:25:19 GMT 1
My averages for the last race are 8,6 flat and 8,2 sprint. Don't know how the helpers are calculated but I have a 12 sprint in support
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Post by chakra on Sept 6, 2014 12:42:14 GMT 1
A tremendous happy manager. Being second in Tre Valli Varesine after an Evcont cyclist is as good as being first. Evcont really dominates this season. I actually had a very little hope for another stagewin, but unfortunately there is Evcont! Corneille really still lacks hillskills. With 167 points ahead of Neo and 202 ahead of joachim my 8th place seems pretty safe now. After twice being in a battle with joachim I finally succeed in beating him. The big difference now is we battled with three teams.
Sure with a 12 sprint joachim will knibble some points of his lag in points.
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Post by heppie on Sept 6, 2014 13:14:47 GMT 1
Here a disappointed manger. I hoped for at least a podium place for Jongeneel today, but surprisingly Byrne was my best cyclist (without attacking). I think the downhill stretches played a big role today. That's probably also the reason Byrne ended higher in the group sprint then Jongeneel, although the latter has a much better sprint.
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Post by heppie on Sept 6, 2014 13:41:38 GMT 1
I wonder if heppie wants to share his avg. Up to july he trained flat 20 and hill 17. From 13 july on he changed his trainer to mountain and downhil with some sprint and TT. I think you are confused with Neo, as far as I can remember he had a trainer like that. Any way, I'm willing to share my averages for tomorrow: flat 7.4, sprint 4.8 and TT 3. Comparing it with the other averages I think I don't have any chance. I hope I will have enough points to stay in front of ElGringo. For Parigi tour we already know the first 3 riders. Will be: 1.- Van Landeghem - joachim1107 ( wasn't the best in the beginning of season but is training sprint and now is the best) 2.- Claereboudt - Melres United ( isn't training sprint but seems to be the 2nd best) 3.- Bochinsky - Evcont ( isn't training sprint, is similar to Claereboudt so helpers will have an important role) I'm not sure about that. Parigi-Tours contains some long flat parts and given the average flat skills of for example Evcont, I wonder if Van Landeghem (and also my own cyclist) can stay in the peloton. My guess is that tomorrow a flat cyclist with good sprint skill will win.
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Post by ElGringo on Sept 6, 2014 14:58:41 GMT 1
I was hopping a win today with my rider Fabbro but 2 monsters made better. Negru you don't give a chance. I am curious about Parlanti Corneille has lack of hill like chakra said. My Fabbro has 7 hill/ 13 mount/ 5Dh, Negru can you share Parlanti skills ? chakra congratz for the maintenence you achive it Congratz to Negru for the division win and to Nightbiker for the 2nd spot. For last stage I bet in sprint, my team is 6.8 flat/ sprint 8.0 / TT 6.0. Seeing joachim skills he is the one for last stages
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Post by negru on Sept 6, 2014 18:22:50 GMT 1
We have almost finished this season. Looking at the stats, i think that joachim has the first chance tomorrow, but i am really really happy as all objectives and wishes for this season have been exceeded by far by the results. I think it is my best season in Peloton, and even if the next season will be again a nightmare, i couldn't care less at the moment.
Heppie, i don't really agree with you. I think tomorrow everybody will finish in the same time. There are not many chances that some cyclists will be lost during the race, therefore Bochinsky doesn't have the first chance. Also, from what i see my riders are better balanced between flat and sprint, but in this kind of race it won't help much.
ElGringo, Parlanti is not at all a monster. Fabbro is more of a monster than Parlanti. He is just one of the two allrounders i have (the younger one). I didn't hope he will win today, maybe top 10, but not stagewin. His stats are approximately 7.3 flat, 3.6 hill, 8.4 mountain 5 DH, 2.2 sprint, 10.3 time trial. Just that i thought that for this race the most suitable is an allrounder, Fabbro looks more suitable for climbing races than the one today. I took a look at the race, Parlanti gain difference every time on flat, while loosing a little bit on mountains. Also, after the middle of the race he was alone, i think that helped also, for the speed of his group on all terrains.
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Post by negru on Sept 7, 2014 18:12:47 GMT 1
heppie: You were right and i was wrong. I didn't believe such differences can be made on flat, and its a good lesson for me. It is the second flat race that turned totally different than expected for me. Last time four seasons ago when my attacker was catched by the peloton (with a lot of helpers at 100%), and now, when i thought most cyclists will finish in the same time with the peloton. Lesson learned, you were pretty good in foreseeing what will happen.
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Post by heppie on Sept 7, 2014 18:41:18 GMT 1
Final standings Nr |
| Ploeg | GR | TT | PT | BT | Punten |
| Pts. wk. | Rang wk. | Rang diff |
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| Evcont | 32 | 4 | 8 | 2 | 5221 |
| 747 | 1 | 0 | 2 |
| Nightbiker | 11 | 4 | 1 | 3 | 4696 |
| 325 | 2 | 0 | 3 |
| Titani | 9 | 1 | 3 | 0 | 2726 |
| 292 | 3 | 1 | 4 |
| BeterLaatDanNooit | 6 | 0 | 1 | 4 | 2640 |
| 71 | 10 | -1 | 5 |
| Melres United | 8 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 2578 |
| 169 | 5 | 0 | 6 |
| lions | 4 | 5 | 1 | 2 | 2367 |
| 98 | 9 | 0 | 7 |
| Forza17 | 9 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2104 |
| 132 | 8 | 0 | 8 |
| ALESANA | 6 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 1884 |
| 146 | 7 | 0 | 9 |
| Neo | 3 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1722 |
| 191 | 4 | 0 | 10 |
| joachim1107 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1682 |
| 153 | 6 | 0 | 11 |
| Malinois Boys | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 133 |
| 38 | 11 | 0 | 12 |
| Equipe à Grande Vitesse | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| 0 | 12 | 0 |
Congratz to Evcont and Nightbiker, you two were clearly the best this season. Evcont celebrates his division win with 5 stage wins this week and place 1, 3,4,5 and 6 in the final stage. Neo and Joachim good luck in 3rd division and hope to see you in season 11 again.
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Post by heppie on Sept 7, 2014 18:46:49 GMT 1
heppie: You were right and i was wrong. I didn't believe such differences can be made on flat, and its a good lesson for me. It is the second flat race that turned totally different than expected for me. Last time four seasons ago when my attacker was catched by the peloton (with a lot of helpers at 100%), and now, when i thought most cyclists will finish in the same time with the peloton. Lesson learned, you were pretty good in foreseeing what will happen. I was right indeed, but I think I was happier when it was a big peloton sprint. Actually, I didn't expect the results to be so extreme. Seems most sprinters had flat 7 or something like that.
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Post by Schizm on Sept 7, 2014 18:56:01 GMT 1
heppie: You were right and i was wrong. I didn't believe such differences can be made on flat, and its a good lesson for me. It is the second flat race that turned totally different than expected for me. Last time four seasons ago when my attacker was catched by the peloton (with a lot of helpers at 100%), and now, when i thought most cyclists will finish in the same time with the peloton. Lesson learned, you were pretty good in foreseeing what will happen. I was right indeed, but I think I was happier when it was a big peloton sprint. Actually, I didn't expect the results to be so extreme. Seems most sprinters had flat 7 or something like that. Main reason for the big differences were the 20+ km parts today, combined with having everybody (including the helpers) at 100%, and a big differnce in fitness/skill-level (I for one used 3 U22 cyclists to complete my squad).
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Post by ElGringo on Sept 7, 2014 19:54:35 GMT 1
It was a very strange result :S My best flat helper and my sprinter could keep the pace in the part with 26km flat but the next one with 20km not, very strange.
Congratz to the winners and good luck for next season.
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Post by negru on Sept 7, 2014 21:51:42 GMT 1
It was a very strange result :S My best flat helper and my sprinter could keep the pace in the part with 26km flat but the next one with 20km not, very strange. Congratz to the winners and good luck for next season. I didn't study the race, thus i might be wrong. I could suppose only the following on your post, based on my understanding of the race engine. At first the speed of the peloton is somehow the average speed of most of the cyclists. At the moment when some cyclists are dropped off, the speed of the peloton increases. It also depends on the number of helper, but four of the strong helpers were all the time in the first group. Therefore, i think it may be the case that the speed of the group was higher when your riders were dropped off compared with the previous part, and due to the difference of skill, they were dropped of on the next part. At some point, the difference in skill between the riders in the same group becomes lower, and nobody gets dropped off anymore. It's just an assumption, i may be wrong.
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Post by joachim1107 on Sept 8, 2014 8:46:01 GMT 1
Didn't expect this result. Seems Van Landeghem lacks both flat and TT to survive in such stages. Als 2 of his helpers were not on 100% fitness at the start of the race. But all credits to Evcont. His team just made it into a TTT.
Good luck aal in season 10, i will keep following this nice division and I hope to be back
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Post by ElGringo on Sept 8, 2014 12:09:25 GMT 1
It was a very strange result :S My best flat helper and my sprinter could keep the pace in the part with 26km flat but the next one with 20km not, very strange. Congratz to the winners and good luck for next season. I didn't study the race, thus i might be wrong. I could suppose only the following on your post, based on my understanding of the race engine. At first the speed of the peloton is somehow the average speed of most of the cyclists. At the moment when some cyclists are dropped off, the speed of the peloton increases. It also depends on the number of helper, but four of the strong helpers were all the time in the first group. Therefore, i think it may be the case that the speed of the group was higher when your riders were dropped off compared with the previous part, and due to the difference of skill, they were dropped of on the next part. At some point, the difference in skill between the riders in the same group becomes lower, and nobody gets dropped off anymore. It's just an assumption, i may be wrong. You are right about that. My sprinter has 7 flat and his helper 13 flat but wasn't enough to help him stay in the first group.
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