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Post by Mike on May 26, 2014 17:21:49 GMT 1
No news about update? IP? someone else?
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Post by Mike on May 26, 2014 19:56:47 GMT 1
I am very glad
update is there!
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Post by punkska on May 26, 2014 20:52:40 GMT 1
\o/ to things getting sorted recently. It all seems a bit last minute, but that's fine with me, I work the same way.
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Post by Mike on May 27, 2014 17:47:26 GMT 1
Something I don't like about the calender is that all exept for 1 tour have a update in between. This gives the ppl with a trainer on fitness a huge advantage. Ok, training fitness is a part of the game. This I know and that's another question but for a different topic maybe. But giving a certain type of tactic this much advantage is just over the top if you ask me.
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Post by tossboom on May 27, 2014 18:46:27 GMT 1
Is there something you do like about the game or the calendar Mike/RaymondC? All you do is complain. I think the updates within tours is a good thing and benefits tactical strong managers, not fitness trainers (who does that?). Fitness management (not training) is more important.
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Post by Mike on May 27, 2014 20:01:04 GMT 1
Well open your eyes At the moment there are trainers with fitness and their teams are winning and will win all season long.
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Post by rarau on May 27, 2014 20:14:44 GMT 1
Well open your eyes At the moment there are trainers with fitness and their teams are winning and will win all season long. you are right but not all tours Volta ao Algarve and Cintur de l'Empord are in one week. All skills have their good part : mountain in difficult races flat and hill in races without hill downhill in some races sprint in 5 races tt in all races and the 3 big tours fitness for some cyclist. But a team who play always fitness will destroy his team. Fitness is good for +29 years cyclists or for only a season. But are other ways to combate fitness. Not always fitness make the differences in a race/tour. For me users who train only TT have more advantage. in a difficult mountain stage you could lose 5 min or more. I don't think 10-15 fitness points bring you 5 min. Div 1.1 San Brunone 10 AB Normaal 10 only this teams have fitness trainer in first division. what it means 10? nothing for 3 days tours. And probably nothing to big tours. And 10 points in fitness dont ask too much money from your trainer, maybe 10.000-20.000 not more.
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Post by tossboom on May 27, 2014 20:51:38 GMT 1
Well open your eyes At the moment there are trainers with fitness and their teams are winning and will win all season long. well, it's a choice you can also make. hire a fitness trainer if you think you can win that way. If you do not win, the developers or calendar are not to blame.
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Post by Mike on May 27, 2014 20:53:57 GMT 1
It's ok if you choose to use fitness, it's a tactic. Ik know that. But I think it is not ok if the calender offers you the chance to use it in every tour (except the 2 you mentioned) That's my point.
It's not the question using fitness is a good or a bad tactic, it's the fact that the calender gives to much advantage.
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Post by Schizm on May 28, 2014 8:25:49 GMT 1
I can see your point , the thing is that training fitness was very bad (in the long run) at the time when all cyclists trained the same skill. But now you can train some cyclists with low progression margins separetely.
I think the intention of the creators of the calendar was good, and it is just a side effect they did not think of. But a better balance, between tours with and tours without an update in between, is definetly something to keep in mind for future calendars.
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Post by roller on May 28, 2014 8:47:22 GMT 1
... flat and hill in races without hill ... Mumble mumble... that's a little too hard to understand for me By the way, I'm not really jumping high for this season calendar. I think, like RaymondC, that there is too much Flat and that it is too much dominant (even 20% or 30% of other terrains don't close the gap with the flatter riders). I'm not complaining about it, as a multiskill trainer I hope to score some points and manage to stay in my division. But this calendar may arise some short and long problems: - After the first 2/3 week we'll know the winner of division and, probably, some teams that'll relegate; - Mountain trainers'll be very disadvantaged in the races and stressed about the economic part of the game; - Hill and Downhill are still very week skills compared to the benfits of others one. I'm not blaming people that worked on it. We have to respect their work and they made a good job. After lot of mountains dominated seasons we need a change in the direction. Let's see what'll happen. The only thing I'm sure is that this season has lot less appeal for me. Just setting my riders to score enought point to stay in my division and training riders for next season hoping not having another 60% flat calendar. (and we are at the beginning of 2nd week) My 2 cents, Roller Rats div.1 season 7 Rats div.1 season 8
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Post by rarau on May 28, 2014 13:25:46 GMT 1
flat and hill in races without hill mountain, i typed wrongly
I think, like RaymondC, that there is too much Flat and that it is too much dominant (even 20% or 30% of other terrains don't close the gap with the flatter riders). After the first 2/3 week we'll know the winner of division and, probably, some teams that'll relegate; - Mountain trainers'll be very disadvantaged in the races and stressed about the economic part of the game; - Hill and Downhill are still very week skills compared to the benfits of others one. hoping not having another 60% flat calendar. (and we are at the beginning of 2nd week)
every season the beginning is for flat cyclists. What other terrains? We don't have mountain yet, and hill/downhill was not so much. This races are for 12 4 0 3 6 9 riders not for other kind.
We will not know yet the winner a lot of points are in the game not 1000-2000p Mountain trainers are disadvantaged in this first 2-3 weeks but then it will be a normal season. In last seasons maybe flat trainers was disadvantaged too in the second part of the season on Spain was only mountain.
on hill and downhill I have the same impression.
For me the importance of skill for a cyclist is : (i don't like but this is my impression)
TT flat/mountain hill/sprint/downhill
now we need to train at least 2 skills
till this season (almost) all users train : 80% TT 20% mountain
now probably is 80% TT 10% flat, 10% mountain
few users train hill, sprint or fitness and almost 0 users train downhill.
p.s this is my approximation not real figures.
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Post by aaabbbccc on May 28, 2014 13:35:23 GMT 1
Well open your eyes At the moment there are trainers with fitness and their teams are winning and will win all season long. What?!? If you train fitness you'll win for max. two season, because your cyclists won't be trained. Example, I've the best TT man in the division, 8 flat 11 tt. You've got a 8 flat 9,5 tt. In two season your cyclist will be 8 flat 13,3 TT or 9 flat 12,6 TT but he'll be better so you will win this is because my cyclist won't be trained or he will lose lots of trainings.
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Post by roller on May 28, 2014 13:55:27 GMT 1
flat and hill in races without hill mountain, i typed wrongly I think, like RaymondC, that there is too much Flat and that it is too much dominant (even 20% or 30% of other terrains don't close the gap with the flatter riders). After the first 2/3 week we'll know the winner of division and, probably, some teams that'll relegate; - Mountain trainers'll be very disadvantaged in the races and stressed about the economic part of the game; - Hill and Downhill are still very week skills compared to the benfits of others one. hoping not having another 60% flat calendar. (and we are at the beginning of 2nd week)every season the beginning is for flat cyclists. What other terrains? We don't have mountain yet, and hill/downhill was not so much. This races are for 12 4 0 3 6 9 riders not for other kind. We will not know yet the winner a lot of points are in the game not 1000-2000p Mountain trainers are disadvantaged in this first 2-3 weeks but then it will be a normal season. In last seasons maybe flat trainers was disadvantaged too in the second part of the season on Spain was only mountain. on hill and downhill I have the same impression. For me the importance of skill for a cyclist is : (i don't like but this is my impression) TT flat/mountain hill/sprint/downhill now we need to train at least 2 skills till this season (almost) all users train : 80% TT 20% mountain now probably is 80% TT 10% flat, 10% mountain few users train hill, sprint or fitness and almost 0 users train downhill. p.s this is my approximation not real figures. Maybe [hopefully] I'm wrong, but I bid on De Droeftoeters and Franconia for the 1.1 Looking at the calendar I'm still thinking that this year'll be very hard for mountain trainer and or mountain oriented team and the winner of each division'd be the best flat trainer. Of course not only flat is needed, but Flat'll do the gap this year. The importance of skill is strongly linked to the calendar. For me this year is F/ /S/TT/H/ /M/ /D I'd prefear a game with all the 6 skill balanced but i think its really impossible and havin 70% of downhill for stage is far away from any idea of real-cicling. Roller Rats div.1 season 7 Rats div.1 season 8
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Post by kurtinsc on May 28, 2014 23:53:06 GMT 1
Well open your eyes At the moment there are trainers with fitness and their teams are winning and will win all season long. What?!? If you train fitness you'll win for max. two season, because your cyclists won't be trained. Example, I've the best TT man in the division, 8 flat 11 tt. You've got a 8 flat 9,5 tt. In two season your cyclist will be 8 flat 13,3 TT or 9 flat 12,6 TT but he'll be better so you will win this is because my cyclist won't be trained or he will lose lots of trainings. If you think about it, the fitness hit will only be for the riders who train fitness for a tour that spans the weekend. We do seem to have a lot of those this year. What that means is that those riders training fitness (likely just 1-2 riders, not the whole team) lose a week of training... but the other riders will be training other stuff. So while they'll fall behind... it won't be as fast as you think it will. Most riders will lose 1-3 trainings a year. Still a tough trade to make, but it may be worth it.
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