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Post by Ab Normaal on Jan 6, 2014 0:03:18 GMT 1
I notice that a lot of new 6th divisions have only a few, or in some cases only 1 team with a manager .
6:13 has only one.
These managers won't stay in the game.
I think it is really, really urgent that active teams are divided over a few divisions so every division has at least 4.
Otherwise all these teams will quit.
I think div. 7 can be removed immediately and all these active teams put in div. 6. And alle teams without a manager in div. 6 should be removed also!
I think that is really, really urgent.
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Post by rarau on Jan 6, 2014 0:37:10 GMT 1
This game is only about FINANCES
If you put some NEW teams in a difficult group he will bankrupt very fast.
We need a lot of NEW teams and not other measures.
Don't make like in hattrick, rugbymania or other games who lost a lot of their users.
Like no others games this is ALMOST only about money.
If you put ALL TEAMS in 4 or 5 division a lot of teams will quit.
In my division , 4.8, 4 teams lost their managers and almost all teams (without first 3) have problems with money.
Don't think for managers from division 1 or 2 or for PC servers. Think for new teams.
If you want that a division in 6 or 7 to have 2 users active, ok, but no more.
A team, when promote, in division 4 need to have at least 5.000.000 in their account and at least a trainer with 15 on a skill.
For Ab Normaal => if you want to HELP, then give them an email with advices and a link with this forum. I give some emails on teams if i see they make mistake even are in division 4 or better (especially on trainer, transfers)
Dont destroy almost the only advantage for a new team (to be in 7 division)
You want a good division? In my 4.8 we was active only 7-8 teams and from that only 3 know how to play peloton.
We could make a topic for mentors, a mentor to have 1-3 groups from div 5-7, we could do a lot to help but NOT put 8 teams active in some group.
p.s. for all who will answers on this topic, told us if you play other team browser manager or not. For example hattrick, rugbymania, do and so on.
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Post by punkska on Jan 6, 2014 1:33:04 GMT 1
A team, when promote, in division 4 need to have at least 5.000.000 in their account and at least a trainer with 15 on a skill. Was going to argue with this figure as it seemed crazy, but did some calculations and actually it seems pretty spot on. The finances are broken then aren't they? Is there a way the top 4 divisions can be full and all teams at least break even? If not, then this is a reason people quit, and it's always going to happen. Simple answer is to increase the sponsorship money, plenty of sports in real life work this way (not self-sustaining) it's not a big unrealistic stretch imo. Logically I guess maybe even cycling does? I don't have enough knowledge of it. Or we could introduce a new income steam: TV coverage  (with maybe some pretending cycling has the appeal/reach of top level football/the NBA/NFL/etc) |
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Post by punkska on Jan 6, 2014 1:34:23 GMT 1
Actually, you could just increase the start money for a new team, way simpler (unless that full division thing is true, in which case it won't fix anything longer term..)
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Post by Ab Normaal on Jan 6, 2014 8:33:42 GMT 1
This game is only about FINANCES If you put some NEW teams in a difficult group he will bankrupt very fast. Don't think for managers from division 1 or 2 or for PC servers. Think for new teams. If you want that a division in 6 or 7 to have 2 users active, ok, but no more. For Ab Normaal => if you want to HELP, then give them an email with advices and a link with this forum. I give some emails on teams if i see they make mistake even are in division 4 or better (especially on trainer, transfers) You want a good division? In my 4.8 we was active only 7-8 teams and from that only 3 know how to play peloton. We could make a topic for mentors, a mentor to have 1-3 groups from div 5-7, we could do a lot to help but NOT put 8 teams active in some group. p.s. for all who will answers on this topic, told us if you play other team browser manager or not. For example hattrick, rugbymania, do and so on. With all due respect, that is not what I meant. I help all new Dutch and Belgian managers on a Dutch cyclingsite. I help them to avoid early mistakes like a youthscout or multi low skilled trainers. They can ask me anything and therefore keep the fun in the game. Just like Kingstowm helped me. But there was a manager starting eraly next season in division 7. He won everything because he ws the only manager. He said that he likes the game but that he wants some opposition, otherwise he will quit. Now he is in 6th division with 11 (!) bots. So that means 3 months of doing nothing and win all. Then I understand he will quit. Otherwise he played for 6 months and still hasn't played. Even a bot is going to promote! He already has 2,5 Million on the bank. I think we should divide all active teams over half the 6th divisions and keep all other 6th divisions for the new teams. If you have no opposition for the second season in a row, I understand if you quit. I am not talking about higher divisions. Only for 6 and 7. |
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Post by seberla on Jan 6, 2014 11:05:33 GMT 1
I still have the same concerns about that as some month ago:
It was a good step to reduce the number of teams in a division. But at the moment the division pyramid is too deep. In most of the 6th and 7th divisons are less than 3 human managers.
So it takes far too long (with bad luck more than 6 month!!) for a new team to get in a division with more human opponents (5th division). It's no fun to play alone or against just one other team, so the motivation will fall and finally the manager will leave.
Suggestion: I would ignore the 7th divisions (until the user number increases again) and place all new teams in the 6th divisions. The divisions should be filled in a balanced way, so every division should have at least 4-5 human users.
If the number of user is rising again, we also can populate the division 7 again. But at the moment it's the wrong way. I really think that nobody will stay in the game, if he won't play against a human opponent for a half year - even if he wins all races and gains some money...
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Post by goof on Jan 6, 2014 18:30:15 GMT 1
This game is only about FINANCES If you put some NEW teams in a difficult group he will bankrupt very fast. We need a lot of NEW teams and not other measures. Don't make like in hattrick, rugbymania or other games who lost a lot of their users. Like no others games this is ALMOST only about money. If you put ALL TEAMS in 4 or 5 division a lot of teams will quit. In my division , 4.8, 4 teams lost their managers and almost all teams (without first 3) have problems with money. Don't think for managers from division 1 or 2 or for PC servers. Think for new teams. If you want that a division in 6 or 7 to have 2 users active, ok, but no more. A team, when promote, in division 4 need to have at least 5.000.000 in their account and at least a trainer with 15 on a skill. For Ab Normaal => if you want to HELP, then give them an email with advices and a link with this forum. I give some emails on teams if i see they make mistake even are in division 4 or better (especially on trainer, transfers) Dont destroy almost the only advantage for a new team (to be in 7 division) You want a good division? In my 4.8 we was active only 7-8 teams and from that only 3 know how to play peloton. We could make a topic for mentors, a mentor to have 1-3 groups from div 5-7, we could do a lot to help but NOT put 8 teams active in some group. p.s. for all who will answers on this topic, told us if you play other team browser manager or not. For example hattrick, rugbymania, do and so on. Hey rarau, I'm in your division.  I think it would be a good idea to delete the seventh division and put the active users in division 6 up to for active teams. This way, finances won't be much of a problem, and the difficulty is still low. And 5.000.000 is a lot. I am currently around the million, because I bought some expensive cycists at the end of last season and made some mistakes because I wasn't paying much attention. I am sure that my finances will be ok though at the end of the season. I am hoping to end in the top four. Anyway, I don't think the mentor thing is a good idea. The forum should be used more often and a tutorial should be added. That with an updated wiki page should be more than enough. So I agree with serberla. |
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Post by chakra on Jan 6, 2014 23:07:49 GMT 1
Reposition the teams in the lower Divs so there would be more competition: YES!
Need 5M for promotion to 3rd Div??? I remember I had 2,3 M at the end of the 4th Div (season 2) and ended with 1,9 M with a youthscout and being 2nd in 3rd Div.
I stayed 3 seasons in 2nd Div. So you don't need 5.000.000 $ to promote! That is ridiculous. IMHO.
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Post by goof on Jan 7, 2014 20:35:18 GMT 1
Reposition the teams in the lower Divs so there would be more competition: YES! Need 5M for promotion to 3rd Div??? I remember I had 2,3 M at the end of the 4th Div (season 2) and ended with 1,9 M with a youthscout and being 2nd in 3rd Div. I stayed 3 seasons in 2nd Div. So you don't need 5.000.000 $ to promote! That is ridiculous. IMHO. Maybe if you have 71 cyclists, you need 5 M...  |
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Post by NikeBoy on Jan 7, 2014 23:14:11 GMT 1
I still have the same concerns about that as some month ago: It was a good step to reduce the number of teams in a division. But at the moment the division pyramid is too deep. In most of the 6th and 7th divisons are less than 3 human managers. So it takes far too long (with bad luck more than 6 month!!) for a new team to get in a division with more human opponents (5th division). It's no fun to play alone or against just one other team, so the motivation will fall and finally the manager will leave. Suggestion: I would ignore the 7th divisions (until the user number increases again) and place all new teams in the 6th divisions. The divisions should be filled in a balanced way, so every division should have at least 4-5 human users. If the number of user is rising again, we also can populate the division 7 again. But at the moment it's the wrong way. I really think that nobody will stay in the game, if he won't play against a human opponent for a half year - even if he wins all races and gains some money... Totally agree ! Unfortunately, it is bit late to change teams to another division ... Problem with the economy in this game is the low amount of users... so it is very difficult to find a balance |
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Post by seberla on Apr 13, 2014 15:14:22 GMT 1
I still have the same concerns about that as some month ago: It was a good step to reduce the number of teams in a division. But at the moment the division pyramid is too deep. In most of the 6th and 7th divisons are less than 3 human managers. So it takes far too long (with bad luck more than 6 month!!) for a new team to get in a division with more human opponents (5th division). It's no fun to play alone or against just one other team, so the motivation will fall and finally the manager will leave. Suggestion: I would ignore the 7th divisions (until the user number increases again) and place all new teams in the 6th divisions (and current active div7 users, of course) . The divisions should be filled in a balanced way, so every division should have at least 4-5 human users.If the number of user is rising again, we also can populate the division 7 again. But at the moment it's the wrong way. I really think that nobody will stay in the game, if he won't play against a human opponent for a half year - even if he wins all races and gains some money... Totally agree ! Unfortunately, it is bit late to change teams to another division ... Problem with the economy in this game is the low amount of users... so it is very difficult to find a balance Is there a chance to implement that at the end of the season? We got some new users in the last weeks and a division with some other human users should be the best way to keep them in the game |
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Post by rarau on Apr 13, 2014 15:34:11 GMT 1
for seberla
ok but no more then 8 active users per group in division 5 to 7. And maintain 7 division. Last division 7 only for teams who are born in last season.
Don't make only 5 divisions, this will kill the game.
Like i said in previsious posts this game is only about FINANCES.
All young teams need to have/afford a trainer with 15 on a skill and 25 cyclists (at least)
Now is season 8
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so ... no changes in div 5
all teams born last seasons (seasons 1 to 7) to be in division 6
teams born on this season (season 8)(who are born in div 7) and dont promote to remain in div 7 (or maybe 6 if are too few active users but not to promote from 7 to 5, div 5 is a difficult division)
in division 7 to stay users born in last weeks (season 8) and who will be born next season
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Post by seberla on Apr 13, 2014 15:59:49 GMT 1
yep, at the moment I'd only change divisions 6 and 7. The promoted teams of division 6 will go to division 5, of course. All other teams will be placed (in a balanced way) in the 6th divisions. And all new teams will also placed in div6.
You're absolutely right, finances are very important. But the question is, what keeps new users in the game.
Ride nearly alone for a half year and winning a lot of races and much money without big effort.
Or ride against 4-5 other new, human users and not winning all races and making little less money because of the competition.
It's true, that it's very difficult to find the right balance, but I'd choose the second option.
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(with maybe some pretending cycling has the appeal/reach of top level football/the NBA/NFL/etc)
