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Post by driewielerken on Nov 5, 2013 15:58:28 GMT 1
Are you joking? Announcement without starting time. No announcement about the problem with 'view' and not being able to set tactics again. This took at least a few hours. If you have already checked the view-thing a few times you don't keep doing that all night unless there is a short announcement(this takes 1 minute) that you can set your tactics now. 1 minute or few hours of trying and still being fucked Although I'm repeating. Everyone had one week more to do his lineup. ONE WEEK more. There was absolutely no need to wait until sunday night. At least there should have been some standard lineup. And yes I agree to you that yesterdays announcement wasn't satisfying at all. But as I already said. This game is far away from being professional for several reasons and I think everybody knows that. So it would be just fair to keep that in mind and show at least a minimum of respect to those ones who admin this game in their free time. Isn't it normal that even an admin can forget sth. while writing an announcement? Especially if he's not an employee of this game. And yes, although I had a lineup since 2 weeks I checked this view option yesterday evening. And I checked it until it was working again. Besides that there was an info right here in the forums about this "problem" and how it could be solved. Especially in such a small game it is improtant to take a look at the forums too. I know that this is no excuse for a missing or a failing announcement, but at least it could help for the future.  What's the point of being able to change tactics 20 minutes before the race starts? Why they don't change that to 1 week before the race? Perhaps for the marvelous transfer market? So I don't have the right to buy a cyclist and let him participate in a race that starts 2 hours later? Or change my mind after I see the riders of the other teams(fe: no chance in sprints and I want to have an extra mountainrider to get some points and money)? How could you solve that problem? We really must have missed that. If you can't enter the first race you can't change anything (I think). And we(my boyfriend) checked that several times In the future there will be no more peloton for me. I'm sick of it about watching the forum: they know that a lot of managers don't to that and still they keep making the same mistakes over and over again. Nikeboy was also there with one post(not his announcement) but still didn't mention the right time and at that point you couldn't set your tactics. |
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Post by bergziege on Nov 5, 2013 16:21:28 GMT 1
What's the point of being able to change tactics 20 minutes before the race starts? Why they don't change that to 1 week before the race? Perhaps for the marvelous transfer market? Which isn't really the case. They didn't gave us one more week to buy some cyclists or doing sth. else. They just gave us one more week just do give all users a proper chance to make a lineup for the Tour. If there wouldn't have been this crash last week you also had to make a lineup without new players. So the point of waiting with the lineup last week just because of buying new cyclists is no valid argument in this discussion. We only got this week to do a proper lineup and not to buy new cyclists for the tour. Please don't mix up the usual procedures in this game with this special case of the crash last week and the postponed tour. And please keep in mind that this tour was already postponed for one week just to make sure that everyone can do a lineup. I mean should they wait another week now, or just a few hours or days? There would always be someone who would argue (like you are doing it now) that he now can use this more time of hours or days just to buy another cyclist or just to wait if there could come up more problems with the site or to wait till his opponents have done their lineup. If this would be the maxim the race wouldn't ever start again. I know I'm repeating. But you had already one week more to set your lineup. The lineup which usually should have been set already one week ago. Sad to here. But it's your decision. Nonsense. In fact there are only a few admins that can't be online 24/7. I already explained it but it seems that you want to disregard the point of showing some respect to the circumstance that this game isn't hold by professionals. Therefore it is recommended to use the forum. Because sometimes also a normal user can deliver a solution to a problem. This was the the case yesterday evening. |
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Post by driewielerken on Nov 5, 2013 16:52:53 GMT 1
What's the point of being able to change tactics 20 minutes before the race starts? Why they don't change that to 1 week before the race? Perhaps for the marvelous transfer market? Which isn't really the case. They didn't gave us one more week to buy some cyclists or doing sth. else. They just gave us one more week just do give all users a proper chance to make a lineup for the Tour. If there wouldn't have been this crash last week you also had to make a lineup without new players. So the point of waiting with the lineup last week just because of buying new cyclists is no valid argument in this discussion. We only got this week to do a proper lineup and not to buy new cyclists for the tour. Please don't mix up the usual procedures in this game with this special case of the crash last week and the postponed tour. And please keep in mind that this tour was already postponed for one week just to make sure that everyone can do a lineup. I mean should they wait another week now, or just a few hours or days? There would always be someone who would argue (like you are doing it now) that he now can use this more time of hours or days just to buy another cyclist or just to wait if there could come up more problems with the site or to wait till his opponents have done their lineup. If this would be the maxim the race wouldn't ever start again. I know I'm repeating. But you had already one week more to set your lineup. The lineup which usually should have been set already one week ago. Sad to here. But it's your decision. Nonsense. In fact there are only a few admins that can't be online 24/7. I already explained it but it seems that you want to disregard the point of showing some respect to the circumstance that this game isn't hold by professionals. Therefore it is recommended to use the forum. Because sometimes also a normal user can deliver a solution to a problem. This was the the case yesterday evening. and again 1 week or 15 weeks you are able to change tactics 20 minutes(now they gave more time but most of the time you couldn't change anything!!! and there was no solution for that) before the race. you are not forced to do it 1 week before. If the developers show respect(fe load another back up) to their users we would be with a lot more!!! and again what was the solution(a real one would be nice) to the problem? and please don't start talking about that fucking week(no races, no need to be on peloton because there are also other things to do and no need to set tactics) again. If you go on holiday for 2 weeks and this shit happens, you should have tactics for 3 weeks if the same problem occurs? Is that what you are saying? Sounds like a shit game We only got this week to do a proper lineup and not to buy new cyclists for the tour. You really are a joker. Why do we have a transfermarket(one that isn't good(not enough managers) but at least it works)? |
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Post by Ab Normaal on Nov 5, 2013 17:07:51 GMT 1
Bergziege: accept that others have other opinions and respect that. Don't try to keep making your point.
You made it and repeating it to peolple who are dissapointed and angry is only making them more angry and doesn't make sense.
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Post by driewielerken on Nov 5, 2013 17:26:18 GMT 1
Bergziege: accept that others have other opinions and respect that. Don't try to keep making your point. You made it and repeating it to peolple who are dissapointed and angry is only making them more angry and doesn't make sense. You can also blame me.  But he is also right that I(my boyfriend and lots of others) could have done this one week ago. But we didn't make a mistake(actually for us it was only the view-thing) that's going to cost managers. Going to think about it and maybe I ask some help from other managers to keep playing the game and sell cyclists which can give me enough money to finish the season. But ATM still angry I still love the game but there are too much mistakes(bugs,...) and then you have to fix things first instead of creating new things. Otherwise the game is dead. I guess that they could find volunteers who are willing to help developping this game. Some students might find this interesting enough. |
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Post by Ab Normaal on Nov 5, 2013 19:20:14 GMT 1
I don't blame Bergziege. Everybody has his own opinion, and this is a forum so you can put it there. I even agree with most part of his opinion. It is just that sometimes you have to know when to stop. Now I wonder which manager your boy friend is! I guess not Bergziege I didn't know we had a female manager in the game. |
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Post by driewielerken on Nov 5, 2013 20:08:04 GMT 1
I don't blame Bergziege. Everybody has his own opinion, and this is a forum so you can put it there. I even agree with most part of his opinion. It is just that sometimes you have to know when to stop. Now I wonder which manager your boy friend is! I guess not Bergziege I didn't know we had a female manager in the game. I also play Hattrick!! Coureur and his team is de witte merels(3:2). |
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Post by eboese on Nov 5, 2013 23:46:21 GMT 1
And then we wonder why this game is losing players every week... It would have been so easy just to put the race back one day, especially since there was nothing planned on Tuesday anyway. Instead we get some unclear communication, tactics that don't seem to be working (I only learned by reading the forum that clicking view actually helped) and a bunch of pissed off people who are likely to leave the game as well. This game is dying a slow death, mainly due to horrible (non)-communication and bad decision making. You can try to create the best game engine on the internet, but if you don't get the basics right only a small group of hardcore fans will continue playing this game. Sad to see this game, which always had a so much potential, heading in the direction where it is currently going.
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Post by ivo on Nov 6, 2013 0:50:40 GMT 1
The montezelo team is out, full of bad decisions the manager of the game.
The game continued to lose players.
Goodbye.
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Post by punkska on Nov 6, 2013 4:08:02 GMT 1
 for the quitting teams, I guess I sort've understand though. I nearly quit once myself, albeit just because I'd got bored/it became too much effort to plan the tactics/which cylists to put where (it was just after the new engine implementation too). I went as far as selling all my cyclists and sacking the staff. At some point I just decided I wanted to carry on though, which I think others will do too, if they like the game enough. Note: it's quite nice starting from "nothing" again, you have the bonus of a bunch of extra money from the old team sales! Bit of a challenge if in a higher division, and also you're able to put in a new plan, transfer market + new trainer combo, you should be able to get a good new thing going... Bit of a ramble. Basic gist being, I like this game? Ultimately I'll always remain philosophical about the team losses and such. It's a shame, but in this case I don't think anything so dramatic that calls for quitting has taken place, even if you put the little errors together. I do think we need new players (as does every game/forum/anything else if it wants to remain fresh) but that's for another thread, and there's a decent one in GD on it. |
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Post by goof on Nov 6, 2013 15:35:08 GMT 1
Not happy to see many managers leave this game. Guess we might end up with a mere 300 managers this sunday. I don't want to see this game a slow death, but I think that issues will occur in the future again. There is just not enough support...
And bergziege: everybody did have a week to make a line-up, but some people (like me) find it nice to insert the not long before the race stars... I like to surprise. You shouldn't judge people on how they play the game, even though you have a point. I think that Nikeboy took the right decision here, but that the communication was lacking. Anyhow: a big technical issue should never disadvantage a group playes, how small that group may be.
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Post by Ab Normaal on Nov 6, 2013 16:29:41 GMT 1
For everybody:
Yes, it is true that we had a week for setting up our team. And yes, there was an announcement that there wouldn't be an update.
But if an update occurs, you can't blame people to try and make advantage of that.
And yes, after the back up, everybody had the entire day to adjust, but the system said: view. There are people who try it anyway, but there aloso are people who don't.
Someone can call that naïve, but I can understand that people think that they couldn't change tactics.
The result of this misunderstanding at the end is that a lot of managers are angry and annoyed.
Others can judge Montzelo that he is quitting, but his team is specialized in the Grand Tours. He gets his points there. Not riding the TdF means for him relegation. I can understand that you are very pissed then.
The problem is already the same for seasons. There are too few people controlling the game and the communication is lousy.
You can't blame Nike and IP for having busy jobs and a family. Therefore we need at least 2 more crew members.
In this case, with these problems, you need a crew who loggs on a lot, not once per day and that is impossible for only 2 people.
Nike is really, really doing a great job, but this is the result.
If teams like Montezelo quit, than we are in serious trouble.
Let's stop argumenting if we had time enough or not.
Let's do something more important. Talk about how we can save the game and let's discuss with IP and Nike about it because we can think a lot of things, Nike and IP should participate in it actively, otherwise nothing will happen.
I think we are on a serious crossroad now. Are we going to the abyss, or are we heading the right direction?
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Post by goof on Nov 6, 2013 20:06:29 GMT 1
I agree. And I also don't blame anyone, but this is not the way the game should function. We must find a moment of time to discuss this problem at the forum with IP and Nikeboy and some other active members.
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Post by halewijnv on Nov 6, 2013 21:19:17 GMT 1
Let me quote a previous post of mine in another thread... "Error reports on the site (30/09/13)" I agree that the best solution would be to postpone the race. A lot of teams won't be ready and we risk that maybe some of them will quit the Game. On the other hand, to be honest, I think that waiting until the very last day to set your tactics is looking for trouble. We all know the site is down on regular base. Maybe you all should set your tactics for the rest of the season. You can still make changes during the season, but at least you will have a team participating... So my conclusion: postpone the race so nobody needs to be wining about a lost season or something like that. While I believe they also have to blame themself... But still: too bad the site is down again.  I rest my case... |
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for the quitting teams, I guess I sort've understand though. 
