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Post by NikeBoy on Dec 11, 2012 21:20:35 GMT 1
Isn't it frustrating that your best cyclist in the current tour is injured during the sunday evening training ? Don't you hate it when you plan weeks upfront to get that specific cyclist 100% fit for race on monday and he gets injured during the last training update ?
Well, I hate it a lot !!! Every race there is already the fear of an injury, so why also on a sunday update ?
That's why I want to get rid of the injuries during sunday updates. I want to replace them with health problems : * 1 week injury is replaced by "a bad cold" and a loss of 25% training during that update (because he couldn't train enough that week) * 2 week injury is replaced by "a small flu" and 50% training loss * 3 weeks injury by "a serious flu" and 75% training loss * 4 week injury by "a deadly flu" and 100% training loss
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Post by Genomico on Dec 11, 2012 21:43:19 GMT 1
Yes! Superb idea That will save lots of stress right before (and frustration after) the updates
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Post by ElGringo on Dec 11, 2012 22:31:33 GMT 1
Great idea and fair one
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Post by Quatannens on Dec 12, 2012 10:51:24 GMT 1
I don't think it's realistic that they only get training loss... Maybe a bad fitness update as well. Now an injury gives a cyclist 100% fitness, not really realistic! Maybe weekly 'injuries' could cause a fitness drop, depending on the 'injury' with a little random factor. (Very small injury 1-10% fitness loss, small-average injury 11-20% fitness loss, ...) Just some random numbers
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Post by JoeLag on Dec 12, 2012 12:07:58 GMT 1
If we're playing wishlist:
I'd rather have a daily fitness and health update. And injuries should be measured in days (not in weeks). And hence training should occur on a daily basis, too.
If we had this it would be ok: Sitting on the bike for training 1. does inflict a risk of injuries by falls/accidents 2. sitting on the bike for training must reduce fitness!
In the moment you have cyclists training at the same time as they are riding in a big tour. Regarding realism this is BS.
As for the planning: I'm ok with some unplannable incidents! In the opposite: I'm of the opinion that there are too few of them! If you setup the same race with the same cyclists and the same tactics several times ... if there weren't falls or flats the result would be exactly the same for each of them. Again - regarding realism: That's BS.
I'd rather see it that good skills only make for good probabilities! And the simulation should only calculate every single event (section) of a race with those probabilities.
For me that would definitely bring more fun. And we would get rid of those ridicoulous tours where only one cyclist wins every sprint and every mountain sprint.
Perhaps you could alter the portion that luck has in different events: If 1 cyclist can keep the speed of the Peloton or not is big part skill and only small part luck.
But in a sprint the outcome imho should depend only by 50% of skill but of 50% luck. Would be more realistic.
The same for escape tries: In RL I dare to say: There's much of luck involved! In the race engine of our beloved Peloton only cyclists with high sprint/TT are able at all to escape. Again ... regarding realism that's BS.
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Post by Quatannens on Dec 12, 2012 23:03:38 GMT 1
True Their really should be a random factor And for the mountain and intermediate sprints, they have to use effort so they can't win the race anymore like now... Now it's one cyclists who takes all the sprints and wins the race
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Post by lee1950 on Dec 16, 2012 8:07:11 GMT 1
Isn't it frustrating that your best cyclist in the current tour is injured during the sunday evening training ? Don't you hate it when you plan weeks upfront to get that specific cyclist 100% fit for race on monday and he gets injured during the last training update ? Well, I hate it a lot !!! Every race there is already the fear of an injury, so why also on a sunday update ? That's why I want to get rid of the injuries during sunday updates. I want to replace them with health problems : * 1 week injury is replaced by "a bad cold" and a loss of 25% training during that update (because he couldn't train enough that week) * 2 week injury is replaced by "a small flu" and 50% training loss * 3 weeks injury by "a serious flu" and 75% training loss * 4 week injury by "a deadly flu" and 100% training loss Very nice concept. Maybe make it simpler: 1 week and 2 week ...change to "Missed half the week training due to a cold. 50% training loss." 3 and 4 week injury ...change to "Missed the full week training due to a cold. 100% training loss." Penalizing fitness would have same/similar effect as now, and NikeBoy's suggestion is aimed partly at eliminating that. Which is why I prefer his original concept.
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Post by Ab Normaal on Dec 16, 2012 10:42:03 GMT 1
Isn't it frustrating that your best cyclist in the current tour is injured during the sunday evening training ? Don't you hate it when you plan weeks upfront to get that specific cyclist 100% fit for race on monday and he gets injured during the last training update ? Well, I hate it a lot !!! Every race there is already the fear of an injury, so why also on a sunday update ? I am happy with the way it is now. Of course it is frustrating, but that is also in real life. See Cancellara this year. It is random and therefore fair for everyone. Don't come up with something complicated which also have it's minors. Leave it the way it is now, please!! If you want to do something, create new sponsors. Almost all sponsors are already out of cycling.
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Post by chakra on Dec 17, 2012 21:18:47 GMT 1
Isn't it frustrating that your best cyclist in the current tour is injured during the sunday evening training ? Don't you hate it when you plan weeks upfront to get that specific cyclist 100% fit for race on monday and he gets injured during the last training update ? Well, I hate it a lot !!! Every race there is already the fear of an injury, so why also on a sunday update ? I am happy with the way it is now. Of course it is frustrating, but that is also in real life. See Cancellara this year. It is random and therefore fair for everyone. Don't come up with something complicated which also have it's minors. Leave it the way it is now, please!! If you want to do something, create new sponsors. Almost all sponsors are already out of cycling. +1
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Post by Mike on Jan 1, 2013 11:00:25 GMT 1
Isn't it frustrating that your best cyclist in the current tour is injured during the sunday evening training ? Don't you hate it when you plan weeks upfront to get that specific cyclist 100% fit for race on monday and he gets injured during the last training update ? Well, I hate it a lot !!! Every race there is already the fear of an injury, so why also on a sunday update ? I am happy with the way it is now. Of course it is frustrating, but that is also in real life. See Cancellara this year. It is random and therefore fair for everyone. Don't come up with something complicated which also have it's minors. Leave it the way it is now, please!! If you want to do something, create new sponsors. Almost all sponsors are already out of cycling. +2
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Post by stenes on Jan 1, 2013 11:20:24 GMT 1
Isn't it frustrating that your best cyclist in the current tour is injured during the sunday evening training ? Don't you hate it when you plan weeks upfront to get that specific cyclist 100% fit for race on monday and he gets injured during the last training update ? Well, I hate it a lot !!! Every race there is already the fear of an injury, so why also on a sunday update ? That's why I want to get rid of the injuries during sunday updates. I want to replace them with health problems : * 1 week injury is replaced by "a bad cold" and a loss of 25% training during that update (because he couldn't train enough that week) * 2 week injury is replaced by "a small flu" and 50% training loss * 3 weeks injury by "a serious flu" and 75% training loss * 4 week injury by "a deadly flu" and 100% training loss I like this idea! when a cyclist is injured during training +4, losing five weeks is a terrible blow!
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Post by Genomico on Jan 22, 2013 2:26:51 GMT 1
Will this be implemented?
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Post by Genomico on Feb 10, 2013 20:14:52 GMT 1
2 injuries, grrr...
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Post by Genomico on Feb 13, 2013 13:46:39 GMT 1
3 injuries :S Getting really annoying.
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Post by JoeLag on Feb 13, 2013 13:53:55 GMT 1
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