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Post by Zberg on Jun 19, 2012 13:32:29 GMT 1
Getting curious how my multiskill (more or less) riders will perform in the Tour de France..
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Post by rarau on Jun 19, 2012 16:47:18 GMT 1
Getting curious how my multiskill (more or less) riders will perform in the Tour de France.. me too ;D
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Post by rarau on Jun 19, 2012 16:50:51 GMT 1
OK, I stop complaining. My best cyclist only had 1 fall. In the long term it all has to level out some day, hadn't it? Ofc, but still no reason to not be dissapointed about this tour i'm dissapointed too I wanted Mutti finish first today but he finish only 3. Wanted to win all the sprints and he win only 8p from 20 sprint points 1. Caals 0 0 4:42:15 60% WC Bloedzak 2. Geboers 0 0 +0 60% WC Bloedzak 3. Mutti 0 0 +0 60% Luptatorii din Rarau Sprint 2 1. Caals $2,500 2. Mutti $1,500 3. Blandiana $500 I lost today race because I put Mutti sprinter? Was better to not put him sprinter ? Caals was sprinter too.
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Post by Genomico on Jun 19, 2012 16:58:52 GMT 1
Getting curious how my multiskill (more or less) riders will perform in the Tour de France.. me too ;D Me too ;D
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Post by Zberg on Jun 19, 2012 17:07:06 GMT 1
i'm dissapointed too I wanted Mutti finish first today but he finish only 3. Wanted to win all the sprints and he win only 8p from 20 sprint points 1. Caals 0 0 4:42:15 60% WC Bloedzak 2. Geboers 0 0 +0 60% WC Bloedzak 3. Mutti 0 0 +0 60% Luptatorii din Rarau Sprint 2 1. Caals $2,500 2. Mutti $1,500 3. Blandiana $500 I lost today race because I put Mutti sprinter? Was better to not put him sprinter ? Caals was sprinter too. I am sorry, rarau. Caals is just a king..
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Post by rarau on Jun 19, 2012 17:11:12 GMT 1
i'm dissapointed too I wanted Mutti finish first today but he finish only 3. Wanted to win all the sprints and he win only 8p from 20 sprint points 1. Caals 0 0 4:42:15 60% WC Bloedzak 2. Geboers 0 0 +0 60% WC Bloedzak 3. Mutti 0 0 +0 60% Luptatorii din Rarau Sprint 2 1. Caals $2,500 2. Mutti $1,500 3. Blandiana $500 I lost today race because I put Mutti sprinter? Was better to not put him sprinter ? Caals was sprinter too. I am sorry, rarau. Caals is just a king.. i wait you two on one day flat stages I don't sell (yet) all my flat stars
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Post by sila on Jun 19, 2012 19:12:20 GMT 1
probably i should be exited for wining all the jersey but i am not. i am missing a stage win
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Post by Genomico on Jun 20, 2012 12:27:37 GMT 1
Surprising results for EGV. The team went mountain-up fast enough to get rid of the flat-specialists and Vasquez amazing sprintskill was enough to beat Fase.
The winning time for our division was a very dissapointing one. Only 4 of the 15 other 3rd divisions had a worse winning time.
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Post by JoeLag on Jun 20, 2012 12:51:38 GMT 1
Surprising results for EGV. The team went mountain-up fast enough to get rid of the flat-specialists and Vasquez amazing sprintskill was enough to beat Fase. Well - unfortunately it happened like I expected it. I fear the engine is on the wrong way! Even tiny mountains are enough to produce huge distances. It will get worse if there are climbers with mountain skill 12 or higher. This is all ok for stages with a mountain finish. And yes - it is ok for stages which have a longer selective mountain part in it. But as it is now we see this huge time distances between mountain and non-mountain cyclists in every stage that has more than 10 km of mountain at all. Even if the last mountain is more than 50 km before the finish. The cause imho is the unrealistic behaviour regarding the peloton. It is quite ok if there are 1 or 2 successful groups of escapists. But it is not ok that the peloton is splitted with each further mountain into more parts. It would be quite more realistic if the main peloton would stay together. You could say that this behaviour is halfway realistic for the classic 1-day races. But we all know that we've seen this in the more stage races, too. And that this kind of behaviour shows in Vuelta or TdF stages is not realistic at all. Of course you can put this remarks away as the ranting of a flat trainer ... but this is my most objective impression.
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Post by Genomico on Jun 20, 2012 13:01:43 GMT 1
Well, this race is in the category a-bit-more-flat-but-not-flat, like there are about 10 in a season (and there are 27 flat stages). So logically not a pure flat-specialist wins the race.
33 mountain kms, are 66 in the engine. And in those 66 making a gap is ofc much easier than on flat terrain. So I think it's fair that 7-flat 5-mountain cyclists are in the front group. I just thought I wouldn't win the sprint against e.g. a 8-flat 3/4-mountain cyclist.
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Post by Zberg on Jun 20, 2012 13:29:48 GMT 1
Well - unfortunately it happened like I expected it. I fear the engine is on the wrong way! Even tiny mountains are enough to produce huge distances. It will get worse if there are climbers with mountain skill 12 or higher. This is all ok for stages with a mountain finish. And yes - it is ok for stages which have a longer selective mountain part in it. But as it is now we see this huge time distances between mountain and non-mountain cyclists in every stage that has more than 10 km of mountain at all. Even if the last mountain is more than 50 km before the finish. The cause imho is the unrealistic behaviour regarding the peloton. It is quite ok if there are 1 or 2 successful groups of escapists. But it is not ok that the peloton is splitted with each further mountain into more parts. It would be quite more realistic if the main peloton would stay together. You could say that this behaviour is halfway realistic for the classic 1-day races. But we all know that we've seen this in the more stage races, too. And that this kind of behaviour shows in Vuelta or TdF stages is not realistic at all. Of course you can put this remarks away as the ranting of a flat trainer ... but this is my most objective impression. I think you are wrong here. Pure mountain riders did not have any chance to win today.. (e.g. my rider with 8,9 on mountain finished at 7:20, including a fall) Multiskill riders with an emphasize on flat did the job today, I suppose..
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Post by diable on Jun 20, 2012 13:42:33 GMT 1
Interesting stage today indeed. At my division 3-1-8 went 1'05" faster than 8-1-3, and I didn't expect that at all. 3-1-8 obviously didn't win, as it was a flat finish, but he still kept it out in the leading group. I think it's because the flat parts today were just too short to make any difference and cyclists with high 3's or 4's will follow the pure flat specialists and will make the difference in the short mountain and hill parts. Though the winner in my division today had 0 hill, but a high downhill skill, it's all just pure guessing though.
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Post by Schizm on Jun 20, 2012 14:55:02 GMT 1
I don't want to spoil your theories but the fastest time of all today was by a 9-2-1 cyclist, and that 1 wasn't even with a particullary high decimal (I checked with the doktor).
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Post by diable on Jun 20, 2012 15:48:17 GMT 1
I don't want to spoil your theories but the fastest time of all today was by a 9-2-1 cyclist, and that 1 wasn't even with a particullary high decimal (I checked with the doktor). Well, mine was a 8 cyclist and as not one manager in my division is standing out in flat, the flat riders were not able to make a gap with the more allround riders, and WTC Porsche who is more of a flat specialist, was.
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Post by rarau on Jun 20, 2012 21:00:44 GMT 1
Division 3:6 before France 1. Equipe à Grande Vitesse 10 1 1 1 2688 2. WC Bloedzak 7 2 1 1 2290 3. Petrolul Ploiesti 5 1 2 2 1484 4. Bolt Thrower 3 0 0 0 426 5. Luptatorii din Rarau 0 0 0 0 402 6. Team Camargue 1 0 0 0 215 7. Sport Groep Maes Koksijde 0 0 0 0 150 8. STV-stampers 0 0 0 0 89 I expect for France at least 100 p I wanted to go for sprinter, mountain standings but after some discussion i will go for general standings So in Tour de France i will go with my 2 polivalent cyclists : Lampreia and Laternano Also I will play with my second best flat player Fidatov . I hope those 3 will finish in top 10 general standings
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