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Post by chakra on Aug 21, 2009 14:21:04 GMT 1
It is great that new countries can join the game. As the new teams will start, do they start in 1st Div? Same as in other existing countries. The gain in races in 1st Div or in 4th Div are quite different? A new team in Belgium starts in 4th Div. For a single race = 34.299 For a tour race (TdF) = 17.149 Win bonus yellow jersey = 137.499 Win bonus mountain and points = 109.999 A new team in Ireland start in 2nd Div For a singel race = 70.000 For a tour race (TdF) = 35.000 Win bonus yellow jersey = 212.499 Win bonus mountain and points = 169.999 In every 2nd Div the win bonus is the same. That's OK. At the start I suppose both teams get beginning racers. As it should be. But when they win a tour or a race it makes quite a difference. Irish teams, or foreign teams will be able to grow much faster. They can afford a multiskill trainer, even a youthscout (  if they exist), buy better racers, etc... I suppose there is only one transferlist? So for a Belgian team it is a lot harder to grow in the game. Something to think about? Or let me play in the Irisch league, or the new South American League. Won't it be more fair for the beginning teams to start with the same type of cyclists (i think it allready is) and that they start with equal chances to grow? |
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Post by Mike on Aug 21, 2009 17:03:35 GMT 1
You have a very good point here Chakra!
It isn't fair that new country's can grow quicker than Belgian new managers.
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Post by xtremespooky on Aug 21, 2009 19:03:09 GMT 1
You have a very good point here Chakra! It isn't fair that new country's can grow quicker than Belgian new managers. On the other hand it's less hard for them, so less chance that they drop off demotivated and more chance they spread the word about this nice game ... and get more users to join this game ! |
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Post by Mike on Aug 21, 2009 19:12:12 GMT 1
I'lld prefer the game to be fair and equal for everyone than expanding the number of players with this kind of un-equal chance of growth in the game.
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Post by xtremespooky on Aug 21, 2009 19:35:47 GMT 1
I'lld prefer the game to be fair and equal for everyone than expanding the number of players with this kind of un-equal chance of growth in the game. A new team in Belgium will have access to the dutch forum with lots of tips and tricks, if you don't speak dutch you start with a disadvantage ... isn't fair either to those foreign teams hé  |
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Post by Mike on Aug 21, 2009 19:47:26 GMT 1
rubish, the english forum is just as good
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Post by xtremespooky on Aug 21, 2009 21:46:23 GMT 1
rubish, the english forum is just as good by the way --> why is it a problem for you if some team from for example South America gains money more quickly than you do? You don't compete against each other, and even if that team gains more power on the transfer market then this is the same disadvantage for every team in your division that you are competing against. I really don't see what you're making all this fuss about? If the developers are thinking on what improvement to spend their time on, then I really hope they don't waste any time on fixing minor issues like this one, because there are other improvements more needed imo! |
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Post by Mike on Aug 22, 2009 7:20:30 GMT 1
No problem for me, I'm thinking about the game.
This is not a selfish point of vieuw!!!
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Post by chakra on Aug 22, 2009 9:05:29 GMT 1
Indeed, it's not selfish, it's about the equal fair chances for any beginning team or even for any team.
Us in 3rd Div allready gaming for more than a year, 3 up to 4 or even more seasons, had to learn how to play, how to grow. Have patience to win some money. A few box each season, investing it. Being a kind of manager.
Buyin new cyclists on the market for what we could spend.
Now a race-winner in 3rd Div (single race) wins 48.999 EURO's that's good money.
We had to fight for it to have the right cyclist to win it.
A brandnew team can start now in 1st Div!!!
With a beginning cyclist (who will be rubbish in the Belgian 1st Div and even so in 2nd and 3rd BE Div, and surely in other countries too, but certainly in our Divs) for that very same race this cyclist can win 100.000 EURO's. Quite a difference not?
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And then there is something like the number of supporters, the sponsoring money..
Only thing they pay more is participating the races.
Costs in 3rd Div for a tour-race 1750, a single race 3500 (5 cyclilsts)
I don't know what the costs in 1st or 2nd Div are, but I'm sure it won't make the difference of the win bonus.
When they are lucky the first races will be passing by before the Division (serie) is filled up and they will race with bot teams who will race at 30%! So they win allmost everything.
Winnnig one race means they can afford 51001 EURO more on the market for a good (better) cyclist. As a BE new team can not afford to spend 49.0000+negative reserve, the foreign new team can.
They can grow faster. And compete on international races after perhaps 2 seasons. Where our teams have to wait 5 seasons.
AND THAT IS WHAT I THINK IS NOT FAIR.
You get my point of view?
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Post by xtremespooky on Aug 22, 2009 9:32:09 GMT 1
got your point of view, however with 3000+ teams at the moment, this disadvantage will only be for a very small group of new teams that start in new countries ...
but you are correct, it is not equally fair for all teams ... as some team pulling a 18y old talent in first week is not fair to us pulling 23y olds in first week ;D
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Post by chakra on Aug 22, 2009 9:58:08 GMT 1
got your point of view, however with 3000+ teams at the moment, this disadvantage will only be for a very small group of new teams that start in new countries ... but you are correct, it is not equally fair for all teams ... as some team pulling a 18y old talent in first week is not fair to us pulling 23y olds in first week ;D GRR...  ;D. |
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Post by Il Padrino on Aug 22, 2009 11:31:00 GMT 1
It's not really avoidable, I think. When a new country (or region) is added, the first division needs to be filled up, with new teams. It's not possible to fill the divisions in the opposite direction.
It's also a first come first served thing, those who are lucky to be amongst the first teams will be in 1:1, others will end up in 2nd or 3rd division.
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Post by chakra on Aug 22, 2009 21:22:43 GMT 1
Even if the new team from Belgium has started earlier than the foreign team. With some programming I'm sure there are solutions. But what's the point...  Just trying to see the 'fairness' of it. |
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if they exist), buy better racers, etc...
;D.
