kevinvl
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kevin_vl - Cycling Team Jos (276)
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Post by kevinvl on Dec 20, 2011 12:06:40 GMT 1
This is just great, was going to join this race at 11 pm... but now i'm not even competing, bye bye money and points...
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Post by spijk101 on Dec 20, 2011 12:19:54 GMT 1
It seems the problem was caused by the server time being somehow reset to its US-east coast settings. Pfff, not sure how I'm going to fix this. I won't take a day old back-up, that'll make things only worse (transfers and new registrations will be lost, as well as tactics, etc). The only thing I can do to not make it worse is to leave it as it is, but not everyone is going to like that.... I hadn't thought of the new registrations. Looks like a complex problem, and there doesn't seem to be a complete fix for it. I always plan my tactics at least a week ahead, so Im not personally affected by this.
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Post by JoeLag on Dec 20, 2011 12:35:41 GMT 1
This is really a bad problem But I want to express my support for IP's decision, too. He surely will ponder a little bit about the way to fix it. And unfortunately it really won't be possible to please everyone. But I'm sure he'll find the solution that hurts least. So please don't rant at IP or the game. Well, for the late tactics submitters: I admit that this is really unpredictable and very bad luck - you have my sympathies ... and it won't help you for the Eneco tour ... but I usually set my tactics several days early. You never know what occurs to you! In the best case your line is cut for some days or something like that (this has happened to me when lightning struck my neighbour's house - I've been offline for a week!) - so I rather set up tactics very early and refine/change them several times than living through such a mess as happened today.
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Post by alcool22 on Dec 20, 2011 13:12:10 GMT 1
Can't you just reschedule the race for tomorrow and delete today's results? Please note that I won today, and I might lose tomorrow, but all this just doesn't seem fair towards the people who didn't get to register their cyclists in the competition.
Andrei
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Post by Il Padrino on Dec 20, 2011 13:24:10 GMT 1
Can't you just reschedule the race for tomorrow and delete today's results? Please note that I won today, and I might lose tomorrow, but all this just doesn't seem fair towards the people who didn't get to register their cyclists in the competition. Andrei It's not just the race results. There is also cyclist statistics, division points, team finances, etc. What I could do is indeed remove today's race and plan it again tomorrow, but without fixing any teams/cyclists/divisions. But then those teams who participated today will be disadvantaged (less fitness so race results will be worse, resulting in worse Eneco tour results, less division points, less money, etc) From what we can tell from the database, the majority of the teams had their tactics set for today's race, so if I fix something it will be fixed only for a minority of players.
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Post by goof on Dec 20, 2011 13:29:12 GMT 1
I don't know what happened, but in my division every team participated, and I'm content with the results.
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Post by kingstown on Dec 20, 2011 14:38:01 GMT 1
What I could do is indeed remove today's race and plan it again tomorrow, but without fixing any teams/cyclists/divisions. But then those teams who participated today will be disadvantaged (less fitness so race results will be worse, resulting in worse Eneco tour results, less division points, less money, etc) That seems an horrible solution. Shit happens and those that sign up at the last minute are having an disadvantage now, but the alternatives seems far worse.
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Post by Genomico on Dec 20, 2011 15:33:17 GMT 1
Perhaps a kind of compensation for the teams that didn't put their tactics yet and are active (e.g. participated in >8 of the last 10 races). For example $50.000 and 100 points. Or a compensation based on their ranking.
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Post by halewijnv on Dec 20, 2011 18:54:20 GMT 1
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triplef
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Post by triplef on Dec 20, 2011 19:16:59 GMT 1
Obviously not everybody will be happy with the decision, but in a situation like this, unfortunately there is no solution that can please everyone.
Like some others, I would like to express my support for IP too. This is a tough situation for him, and I really appreciate his announcement in the game, and presence on the forum. I 've played a lot of online game and there is nothing worse than not knowing what is happening when there is a problem. In this case, IP was on top of things, posted news and updates, took a decision and stood by it, and explaining the reasoning behind it too.
A bad situation independant of IP but nevertheless very well handled by him, in my humble opinion...
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Post by lee1950 on Dec 20, 2011 19:52:04 GMT 1
Obviously not everybody will be happy with the decision, but in a situation like this, unfortunately there is no solution that can please everyone. Like some others, I would like to express my support for IP too. This is a tough situation for him, and I really appreciate his announcement in the game, and presence on the forum. I 've played a lot of online game and there is nothing worse than not knowing what is happening when there is a problem. In this case, IP was on top of things, posted news and updates, took a decision and stood by it, and explaining the reasoning behind it too. A bad situation independant of IP but nevertheless very well handled by him, in my humble opinion... Very well said, triplef (a triple"A" for you!) Very frustrating for everyone, especially IP, who suffers the most from things like this.
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Post by Rubinho on Dec 20, 2011 22:09:07 GMT 1
Nice, it went great for me xD I not even noticed it before reading this.
@ Complainers; It's imo pretty stupid anyway to set all things an hour for deadline :-|
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kevinvl
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kevin_vl - Cycling Team Jos (276)
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Post by kevinvl on Dec 21, 2011 7:30:55 GMT 1
Can't you just reschedule the race for tomorrow and delete today's results? Please note that I won today, and I might lose tomorrow, but all this just doesn't seem fair towards the people who didn't get to register their cyclists in the competition. Andrei It's not just the race results. There is also cyclist statistics, division points, team finances, etc. What I could do is indeed remove today's race and plan it again tomorrow, but without fixing any teams/cyclists/divisions. But then those teams who participated today will be disadvantaged (less fitness so race results will be worse, resulting in worse Eneco tour results, less division points, less money, etc) From what we can tell from the database, the majority of the teams had their tactics set for today's race, so if I fix something it will be fixed only for a minority of players. I cannot believe that because of an error of a server I lose many points, money, experience... I also got fitness problems now, I saved some cyclists for the eneco tour and now they miss their chance (and it's not that simple to let them ride another race because I already choosed cyclist for those races as well) I understand that you can't undo it and I'm fine with that, but can't you cancel the rest of the eneco tour... And make the first race a 'single race'...
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Post by ElGringo on Dec 21, 2011 12:10:30 GMT 1
I cannot believe that because of an error of a server I lose many points, money, experience... I also got fitness problems now, I saved some cyclists for the eneco tour and now they miss their chance (and it's not that simple to let them ride another race because I already choosed cyclist for those races as well) I understand that you can't undo it and I'm fine with that, but can't you cancel the rest of the eneco tour... And make the first race a 'single race'... kevinvl what you are asking is impossible, the game cannot benefit one players agains all the others. You were responsble for your actions and it was your choice to lets to the last hour to make up your team. This time was a server problem, but next time will be the internet conection or other thing, so its better to make thing with time. IP its not responsble for what happenend so like He said, if he can make something to solution the problem he will do, otherwise for the best of the game he will leave it like it is.
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kevinvl
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kevin_vl - Cycling Team Jos (276)
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Post by kevinvl on Dec 21, 2011 13:53:25 GMT 1
I cannot believe that because of an error of a server I lose many points, money, experience... I also got fitness problems now, I saved some cyclists for the eneco tour and now they miss their chance (and it's not that simple to let them ride another race because I already choosed cyclist for those races as well) I understand that you can't undo it and I'm fine with that, but can't you cancel the rest of the eneco tour... And make the first race a 'single race'... kevinvl what you are asking is impossible, the game cannot benefit one players agains all the others. You were responsble for your actions and it was your choice to lets to the last hour to make up your team. This time was a server problem, but next time will be the internet conection or other thing, so its better to make thing with time. IP its not responsble for what happenend so like He said, if he can make something to solution the problem he will do, otherwise for the best of the game he will leave it like it is. responsible for my actions? I was going to submit my tactics 2h for the race, i didn't do anything wrong... And I DON'T think that internet connection at my house is the same as what happened now. If the first thing happens it is my fault and i can fix it (go to a friend or neighbours). Now i didn't do anything wrong but still be punished.. And my benefit over the other players is just ridiculous! I'm not asking for something great, just for a fair game... and making me not compete because of a problem with the server is not fair! I wonder what would have happened if this error happened the first day of the vuelta? then there probably would have been found a solution.. Btw: when things like this happened in the past it was possible to go back to a previous back-up, why not now? because of a few transfers? What about those transfers those other times? greetz a player who gets nailed by the game
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