|
Post by googolplex on Oct 7, 2011 15:52:21 GMT 1
I think giving compensations only to the winners is worse than it is now (even though I won).
I think it should be relatively easy to query from the database how much everyone won (if the database is sensible). The ratio between money that should have been earned and money that was earned differs a bit in different groups (and it may be a bit ahrder to find out), but I think people generally got about 25-30% of what they should have. So giving everyone 2.5 times the amount they already got (to the top of the current bonuses) should be at least a lot better than giving money only to the winners.
If that's not possible then the next best options would be to keep the same winnings in T-A too, or completely restart the season.
I wonder where the current winnings come, though. There was 27 participants in my group (which is 60%), so with the old system I should have got 57% of the price money. With the new system, I should have got 83% (=60/70). Instead, I got only 24%.
|
|
|
Post by Mike on Oct 7, 2011 16:43:01 GMT 1
Just leave IP to deal with it. Compensations should be given. It wouldn't be fare to the game compared to all the races yet to come.
|
|
|
Post by Il Padrino on Oct 7, 2011 17:39:56 GMT 1
I think giving compensations only to the winners is worse than it is now (even though I won). I think it should be relatively easy to query from the database how much everyone won (if the database is sensible). The ratio between money that should have been earned and money that was earned differs a bit in different groups (and it may be a bit ahrder to find out), but I think people generally got about 25-30% of what they should have. So giving everyone 2.5 times the amount they already got (to the top of the current bonuses) should be at least a lot better than giving money only to the winners. Hi & welcome Yes, that's about how I wanted to do it. I'll just double the amounts that were awarded, without really looking at the number of teams in the divisions and number of participating cyclists.
|
|
|
Post by Il Padrino on Oct 7, 2011 17:51:06 GMT 1
I wonder where the current winnings come, though. There was 27 participants in my group (which is 60%), so with the old system I should have got 57% of the price money. With the new system, I should have got 83% (=60/70). Instead, I got only 24%. The old system was like this: 100K for the winner in division 1 (with at least 70 cyclists participating) For division 5, it's 24k for the winner (with 70 cyclists) -> 100K * (0.7^(division level - 1)) = 100K * 0.2401 = 24k(-ish) With 27 participants -> 27/70 = 38% of 24k -> 9120 for the winner. Is that about what you received? The new system: Price money for division 5 is still 24K. With 60% participation rate -> 60%/70% = 85% of 24k -> 20400 for the winner. So in reality, you recieved about half of the price money you should have gotten. Edit: price money in division 1 is 100K, not 50K. I've updated the numbers
|
|
|
Post by googolplex on Oct 7, 2011 18:05:06 GMT 1
From the stage I received 10290, which is correct (60/70 of 12000).
From the full race, I think the full price money was 39999 (40% of 100000). I got 9603, which is about 24%.
|
|
|
Post by zottepeet on Oct 7, 2011 18:06:30 GMT 1
In the old system the participation rate didn't count for the jersey's? or am I wrong?
|
|
|
Post by Il Padrino on Oct 7, 2011 18:07:50 GMT 1
Yes, it's correct, I've used 50k for base price money but it's 100k. My calculations now show about the same result as what you've received.
|
|
|
Post by Il Padrino on Oct 7, 2011 18:08:32 GMT 1
In the old system the participation rate didn't count for the jersey's? or am I wrong? You're wrong Race and tour money are calculated the same way (or it should be)
|
|
|
Post by googolplex on Oct 7, 2011 18:18:10 GMT 1
For division 5, it's 24k for the winner (with 70 cyclists) -> 100K * (0.7^(division level - 1)) = 100K * 0.2401 = 24k(-ish) With 27 participants -> 27/70 = 38% of 24k -> 9120 for the winner. Is that about what you received? Ah, so the price money in the race page was too big. There was 28 riders at the start (one got injured), so 28/70 would give 9600, which is what I got. Looking at these numbers, doubling everyone's winnings should get it quite close.
|
|
zack
Cycling Tourist Group
Posts: 14
|
Post by zack on Oct 7, 2011 18:35:31 GMT 1
Is our money doubled allready or does this start from the next race?
|
|
|
Post by Quatannens on Oct 7, 2011 18:39:06 GMT 1
For division 5, it's 24k for the winner (with 70 cyclists) -> 100K * (0.7^(division level - 1)) = 100K * 0.2401 = 24k(-ish) With 27 participants -> 27/70 = 38% of 24k -> 9120 for the winner. Is that about what you received? Ah, so the price money in the race page was too big. There was 28 riders at the start (one got injured), so 28/70 would give 9600, which is what I got. Looking at these numbers, doubling everyone's winnings should get it quite close. No, because IP is talking about the old system. In the new system the maximul price money is reached at 70 % division participation. So it's not 28/70, but participants/((5*#teams in your division)*0.7) with a maximum of 1
|
|
|
Post by googolplex on Oct 7, 2011 18:49:18 GMT 1
Ah, so the price money in the race page was too big. There was 28 riders at the start (one got injured), so 28/70 would give 9600, which is what I got. Looking at these numbers, doubling everyone's winnings should get it quite close. No, because IP is talking about the old system. In the new system the maximul price money is reached at 70 % division participation. So it's not 28/70, but participants/((5*#teams in your division)*0.7) with a maximum of 1 What I meant was that I got what I should have got with old system (which is a bit different than the one explained in wiki though). (Wiki says "If at least 70 cyclists participate, the full amount is awarded. For every cyclist less the victory bonus diminishes with 1%. E.g.: if 55 cyclists participate, there are 15 cyclist short for a full victory bonus, which means only 85% will be divided.") With "these" number, I meant 9600 what I got and 20400 what I should have got. So my winnings should be about doubled.
|
|
|
Post by Il Padrino on Oct 7, 2011 18:56:52 GMT 1
For division 5, it's 24k for the winner (with 70 cyclists) -> 100K * (0.7^(division level - 1)) = 100K * 0.2401 = 24k(-ish) With 27 participants -> 27/70 = 38% of 24k -> 9120 for the winner. Is that about what you received? Ah, so the price money in the race page was too big. There was 28 riders at the start (one got injured), so 28/70 would give 9600, which is what I got. Looking at these numbers, doubling everyone's winnings should get it quite close. Do you mean the tour page? Yes, this amount was completely wrong. I have updated the page with the correct calculation. I'm sorry for the mess... it seems this page was already wrong in the old version...
|
|
|
Post by Il Padrino on Oct 7, 2011 18:57:58 GMT 1
Is our money doubled allready or does this start from the next race? I've just doubled it I'll create an announcement right away.
|
|
|
Post by VIKINGS on Oct 7, 2011 19:05:55 GMT 1
thanks a lot IP, it is great to have a creator who cares so much about his game. I just quitted a game where creators never listented to the players' complaints or suggestions. Especially since you are only one guy and they were a company.
|
|